INFO-VAX Mon, 14 Jul 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 391 Contents: RE: Another new VMS system. Re: DCL divide by zero WAS: Symbol Substitution Mystery Expert SAP Installation Service Re: File modified date a week late Re: File modified date a week late Re: File modified date a week late GENUINE SAP IDES INSTALLATION Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... SAP IDES Pre-installed on external Hard discs Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Re: VAX 7000 cameo appearance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:41:12 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Another new VMS system. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] > Sent: July 13, 2008 6:33 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Another new VMS system. > > Hi Kerry, > > "SGX, a new OpenVMS customer, will base their SGX Quest installation on > HP > AlphaServer systems running HP's Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) and > Oracle(r) Rdb database in a two-site, disaster-tolerant configuration." > > Doesn't sound very (AA) Active-Active to me :-( > > Of course UNIXesque failovers can also be considered "disaster- > tolerant", > but I had rather hoped that OMX would be leveraging the full > capabilities of > VMS clusters. Not to worry, you can carry on singing " Yeah RTR > store-and-forward" from the roof-tops :-( > > Regards Richard Maher > > PS. But 2004 would make the decision before Nasdaq's takeover would it > not? > An if they went VMS OM_click in 2004, what was this change about? > [snip..] I have no idea of what SGX's configs are other than what was posted here. I agree that A-A sites do offer a higher level of HA flexibility, resource utilization and multi-site load balancing than A-P site designs. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2008 07:52:11 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DCL divide by zero WAS: Symbol Substitution Mystery Message-ID: In article <2c5155ac-72ca-423c-915c-76be0df6b4ef@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > I don't have one and there's no way my company is going to get one, > especially just for this. Fortunately I almost never need to divide on > the VAX. The only example that comes to mind is the calculation of > disk space percentages. If you have VMS, you have Macro-32, either as an assembler on the VAX or as a compiler on the other two. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Joeblk <1sapides@googlemail.com> Subject: Expert SAP Installation Service Message-ID: SAP IDES INSTALLATION We can provide installation service for any type of following SAP IDES System in your stand alone home Laptop & Desktop and external USB Hard discs SAP R\3 4.7 EE, SAP ECC 5.0, SAP ECC 6.0 SAP CRM 5.0, SCM 5.0, SAP SRM 5.0, SAP BI 7.0, SAP SEM 6.0, SAP BW 3.1, IS- Utilities IS- Retail IS- Oil IS- Media IS- Healthcare Solution Manager SAP Netweaver with EP 7.0, Development framework SAP Middleware Connections for BW Extractions All R\3 systems comes with these core modules SAP HR (Human Resource) SAP FI CO (Finance & Controlling) SAP SD (Sales & Distribution) SAP MM (Materials Management ) SAP PP (Production Planning) We believe in 100 % CUSTOMER SATISFACTION and are dedicated to provide not only QUICK High Quality Service but lot of other intangible benefits and are NOT in just money making business like any TOM, DICK and HARRY so it is ALWAYS WORTH to have one telephonic discussion with our expert advisor before you decide to opt "Cheap Service Provider". We never take any advance and always deal face to face. Please have a link to this url for more details http://1sapmate.googlepages.com/home ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Wilts Subject: Re: File modified date a week late Message-ID: <5d1b7e97-ea1d-4cf8-8d98-7e288778458b@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jul 13, 5:07=A0pm, bradhamilton wrote: > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > I've seen this kind of thing before, but cannot authoritatively answer = it. > > Is something just stuck in cache until the next week? > > > $dire/siz=3Dall/date=3D(c,m)/ver=3D3 jam451:[costtech]cswk*.log > > WAG - do you run a daily incremental batch job that does a /RECORD pass? Why would that matter? A /RECORD pass does not update the modified dates - it sets the last backup date which you would see with DIR/ DATE=3DBACKUP, not DIR/DATE=3DMOD. It's not a caching issue but it there are applications out there that can change the modified date (e.g. Joe Meadows' FILE utility). Other applications could be trying to update the date for you and getting it wrong. I have assumed that you've done the obvious and made sure the system time was right... .../Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:27:58 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: File modified date a week late Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00552DF885257486_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ed Wilts wrote on 07/14/2008 11:15:00 AM: > On Jul 13, 5:07 pm, bradhamilton wrote: > > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > > > I've seen this kind of thing before, but cannot authoritatively answer it. > > > Is something just stuck in cache until the next week? > > > > > $dire/siz=all/date=(c,m)/ver=3 jam451:[costtech]cswk*.log > > > > WAG - do you run a daily incremental batch job that does a /RECORD pass? > > Why would that matter? A /RECORD pass does not update the modified > dates - it sets the last backup date which you would see with DIR/ > DATE=BACKUP, not DIR/DATE=MOD. > > It's not a caching issue but it there are applications out there that > can change the modified date (e.g. Joe Meadows' FILE utility). Other > applications could be trying to update the date for you and getting it > wrong. I have assumed that you've done the obvious and made sure the > system time was right... This is a routine batch job on a production clustered system. You can see the batch jobs around it are not showing this condition. > > .../Ed > > --=_alternative 00552DF885257486_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

Ed Wilts <ewilts@ewilts.org> wrote on 07/14/2008 11:15:00 AM:

> On Jul 13, 5:07 pm, bradhamilton <bradhamil...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> >
> > > I've seen this kind of thing before, but cannot authoritatively answer it.
> > > Is something just stuck in cache until the next week?
> >
> > > $dire/siz=all/date=(c,m)/ver=3 jam451:[costtech]cswk*.log
> >
> > WAG - do you run a daily incremental batch job that does a /RECORD pass?
>
> Why would that matter?  A /RECORD pass does not update the modified
> dates - it sets the last backup date which you would see with DIR/
> DATE=BACKUP, not DIR/DATE=MOD.
>
> It's not a caching issue but it there are applications out there that
> can change the modified date (e.g. Joe Meadows' FILE utility).  Other
> applications could be trying to update the date for you and getting it
> wrong.  I have assumed that you've done the obvious and made sure the
> system time was right...

This is a routine batch job on a production clustered system.  You can see
the batch jobs around it are not showing this condition.
>
>    .../Ed
>
>
--=_alternative 00552DF885257486_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Wilts Subject: Re: File modified date a week late Message-ID: <41d8958a-6495-4008-9880-8447ba470ba0@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Jul 14, 10:27=A0am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > This is a routine batch job on a production clustered system. =A0You can = see > the batch jobs around it are not showing this condition. I'd guess that the batch job (or another one) is doing something like a set file/owner, set file/version, rename, or something similar - an operation that will change the mod date. It's oddly coincidental that the modified time of the previous time is shortly after the created time of the current run. .../Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:41:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Joeblk <1sapides@googlemail.com> Subject: GENUINE SAP IDES INSTALLATION Message-ID: <045aa7f5-6cf4-489e-b32b-974a7979a3bf@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> SAP IDES INSTALLATION We can provide installation service for any type of following SAP IDES System in your stand alone home Laptop & Desktop and external USB Hard discs SAP R\3 4.7 EE, SAP ECC 5.0, SAP ECC 6.0 SAP CRM 5.0, SCM 5.0, SAP SRM 5.0, SAP BI 7.0, SAP SEM 6.0, SAP BW 3.1, IS- Utilities IS- Retail IS- Oil IS- Media IS- Healthcare Solution Manager SAP Netweaver with EP 7.0, Development framework SAP Middleware Connections for BW Extractions All R\3 systems comes with these core modules SAP HR (Human Resource) SAP FI CO (Finance & Controlling) SAP SD (Sales & Distribution) SAP MM (Materials Management ) SAP PP (Production Planning) We believe in 100 % CUSTOMER SATISFACTION and are dedicated to provide not only QUICK High Quality Service but lot of other intangible benefits and are NOT in just money making business like any TOM, DICK and HARRY so it is ALWAYS WORTH to have one telephonic discussion with our expert advisor before you decide to opt "Cheap Service Provider". We never take any advance and always deal face to face. Please have a link to this url for more details http://1sapmate.googlepages.com/home ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:21:19 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > Hi. > > After 15 yrs with the OSU http server, I'm now > thinking of switching to the WASD server instead. > Mostly becuse the WASD server seem to be more > actively developed Is the development something you need? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:33:31 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article , > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > writes: > >> Hi. >> >> After 15 yrs with the OSU http server, I'm now >> thinking of switching to the WASD server instead. >> Mostly becuse the WASD server seem to be more >> actively developed > > Is the development something you need? > Why wouldn't I find it positive that the server is actualy actively developed ? Such as adding new interfaces for whatever might come up in the future. I probably do not understand you questions realy... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:44:22 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article , > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > writes: > >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>> In article , >>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= >>> writes: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> After 15 yrs with the OSU http server, I'm now >>>> thinking of switching to the WASD server instead. >>>> Mostly becuse the WASD server seem to be more >>>> actively developed >>> Is the development something you need? >>> >> Why wouldn't I find it positive that the server >> is actualy actively developed ? Such as adding >> new interfaces for whatever might come up in the >> future. >> >> I probably do not understand you questions realy... > > I don't know what your application is. If it doesn't need any new > developments in the HTTP server, it might even be an advantage if the > server is essentially frozen in its development. > OK. In this case, it was mainly that WASD seems (as far as I can understand) has better Python integration then OSU. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:42:04 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article , > > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > > writes: > > > >> Hi. > >> > >> After 15 yrs with the OSU http server, I'm now > >> thinking of switching to the WASD server instead. > >> Mostly becuse the WASD server seem to be more > >> actively developed > > > > Is the development something you need? > > > > Why wouldn't I find it positive that the server > is actualy actively developed ? Such as adding > new interfaces for whatever might come up in the > future. > > I probably do not understand you questions realy... I don't know what your application is. If it doesn't need any new developments in the HTTP server, it might even be an advantage if the server is essentially frozen in its development. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: RFC: Switching to WASD after 15 yrs with OSU... Message-ID: <7f6b4397-5c32-4a4a-9eba-39f85647bc98@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On 13 Jul, 21:49, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Hi. > > After 15 yrs with the OSU http server, I'm now > thinking of switching to the WASD server instead. > Mostly becuse the WASD server seem to be more > actively developed and since JFP's (Jean-Fran=E7ois > PI=C9RONNE) very nice Python distribution seems to > have a closer connection and better integration > with WASD then OSU. > > Now, is there any reason I should make this switch ? > > Bets regards, > Jan-Erik. > > PS: Yes, I know about "secure web server" also, but > I think both OSU and WASD are more VMS-ish then > Apache... I'm quite a few versions behind on my own intranet server at home, but WASD always struck me as a very fine web server for VMS. Once you'e used it, it's perhaps more awkward to make a switch to something else though this may just be me. Important feature for me is that WASD doesn't require installation on an ODS5 volume. CSWS requires an ODS5 installation volume so you either need to have a container file, a data disk or the system disk initialized / converted to this. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Joeblk <1sapides@googlemail.com> Subject: SAP IDES Pre-installed on external Hard discs Message-ID: <6a98293c-7ecc-4223-ae9b-8a0e87fca5a3@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> SAP IDES INSTALLATION We can provide installation service for any type of following SAP IDES System in your stand alone home Laptop & Desktop and external USB Hard discs SAP R\3 4.7 EE, SAP ECC 5.0, SAP ECC 6.0 SAP CRM 5.0, SCM 5.0, SAP SRM 5.0, SAP BI 7.0, SAP SEM 6.0, SAP BW 3.1, IS- Utilities IS- Retail IS- Oil IS- Media IS- Healthcare Solution Manager SAP Netweaver with EP 7.0, Development framework SAP Middleware Connections for BW Extractions All R\3 systems comes with these core modules SAP HR (Human Resource) SAP FI CO (Finance & Controlling) SAP SD (Sales & Distribution) SAP MM (Materials Management ) SAP PP (Production Planning) We believe in 100 % CUSTOMER SATISFACTION and are dedicated to provide not only QUICK High Quality Service but lot of other intangible benefits and are NOT in just money making business like any TOM, DICK and HARRY so it is ALWAYS WORTH to have one telephonic discussion with our expert advisor before you decide to opt "Cheap Service Provider". We never take any advance and always deal face to face. Please have a link to this url for more details http://1sapmate.googlepages.com/home ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2008 07:54:35 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > HP-UX has strong roots in BSD. HP, Apollo and Digital were all > founding members of OSF which was to have standardised on the > Mach (?) kernel, but I think internal politics in HP won out and > they did their own dilletante version, proabaly Motif was about > the only thing trhey used out of OSF. I don't know if there's Mach inside, but OSF/1 was BSD based. HP was the first company to ship OSF/1, as an alternative to HP-UX, which didn't sell so they dropped it. DEC decided to go with OSF/1 for there new architecture (Alpha) instead of porting their 32 bit BSD based Ultrix. HP never made any attempt to move HP-UX to OSF. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:22:48 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: <487af0d0$0$1838$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I was born in Allentown General on Chew St. I wouldn't consider you to be "Made in Allentown" if your parents just drove to a hospital there to be told to "push" a few times, and cause you to pop out of your mother, and then shipped to your farm home. If you were neither conceived nor grew up there, you don't deserve the "made in allentown" sticker. As a result of this, you have no right to judge Billy Joel :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2008 12:37:37 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: <487b4891$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <487af0d0$0$1838$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I was born in Allentown General on Chew St. > > >I wouldn't consider you to be "Made in Allentown" if your parents just >drove to a hospital there to be told to "push" a few times, and cause >you to pop out of your mother, and then shipped to your farm home. > >If you were neither conceived nor grew up there, you don't deserve the >"made in allentown" sticker. As a result of this, you have no right to >judge Billy Joel :-) :-) :-) :-) Don't underestimate that JF. I spent much time there as a youth. One of my father's stores was 13th and Turner. Concerts and other events at the Grandstand and Ag Hall. Dr.s, dentist, shopping and myriad other reasons to be in A-town. The factories a la BJ's perception of A-town weren't in A-town. Most of the factories were in towns that where named for their product: Ironton, Coplay, Cementon, etc. Bethlehem was the steel town. Western Electric was also in the A-town/Bethlehem area. One of my grandmothers (now 96!) worked for WE making Ma Bell's lovely black bakelite desk phones before that facility was closed. I was just back home for a weekend last month. I spent it at Lehigh Un- versity in Bethlehem. The Lehigh Valley is bustling with activity and it doesn't look at all like the depression painted by BJ. Perhaps, BJ should focus on where I happen to reside NOW! I wonder how that would go? Let me take a stab at it... proNJ... to the tune of BJ's Allentown: ======================================= Oh, we're trapped in people's republic of New Jermany And o'er in Trenton they're showing us no mercy. Everything's being taxed by that Corzine clown, Yes!!! Even the rain that comes raining down! ( http://tinyurl.com/65yyen ) People are flocking from this state in droves, Over unmaintained and pilfered funded roads. But Corzine's 'staff' is busy stuffing Katz, and filling the pockets of his fellow democrats! ( http://tinyurl.com/554wbp ) The senate and assembly don't believe it's a crime, to make the sales tax on a dollar item a dime. They've illegally borrowed billions to feed their beast, The state's constitution, it's adhered to the least. ( http://tinyurl.com/6x89sv ) The turnpike and parkway tolls are on the rise... 800% or more according to the 'jersey guys'. Those gross entitlements are never eschewed, The people's republic of New Jermany is royally screwed. ( http://tinyurl.com/54ramu ) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Copyright 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Any publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents _in_its_entirety_ including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. The citizens of our state must be free, within reason, to speak out on matters of public concern. So long as they state the facts implicated fairly and express their opinions, even in the most colorful and hyperbolic terms, their speech should be protected by us. -- NJ Superior Court Appellate Div. (NJSC) ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) "Coding is _not_ a crime!" Support the EFF: http://www.eff.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "David P. Murphy" Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: <2ecc6033-05a8-48c3-904d-09673f9fe8b7@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 14, 8:37 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I was just back home for a weekend last month. Let me guess: you were trying to recall the whole year? > Copyright 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. [...] I can also guess why you're now using this lengthy sig. ok dpm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: While I understand there are problems in places with the USPS, I have not experienced what others have here. I use the USPS all the time w/ no problems both coming and going. Live in the far northern burbs of Chicago and would guess that lots of mail and packages get processed each day in this neck of the woods. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 2008 14:08:08 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: <487b5dc8$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <2ecc6033-05a8-48c3-904d-09673f9fe8b7@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, "David P. Murphy" writes: >On Jul 14, 8:37 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> I was just back home for a weekend last month. > >Let me guess: you were trying to recall the whole year? No, photographing a music festival at Lehigh Univ. and visiting, though briefly, with mom. Carried part of the fest live on the internet too via Aural Moon. >> Copyright 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. [...] > >I can also guess why you're now using this lengthy sig. It's that obvious? :rolleyes: It's so sad that the Frist Amendment has declared null and void here in the proNJ. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Copyright 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Any publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents _in_its_entirety_ including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. The citizens of our state must be free, within reason, to speak out on matters of public concern. So long as they state the facts implicated fairly and express their opinions, even in the most colorful and hyperbolic terms, their speech should be protected by us. -- NJ Superior Court Appellate Div. (NJSC) ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) "Coding is _not_ a crime!" Support the EFF: http://www.eff.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:19:29 -0600 From: user@domain.invalid Subject: Re: USPS (Unbelievably Sl-o-o-o-w Postal Service) Message-ID: DaveG wrote: > While I understand there are problems in places with the USPS, I have > not experienced what others have here. I use the USPS all the time w/ > no problems both coming and going. > > Live in the far northern burbs of Chicago and would guess that lots of > mail and packages get processed each day in this neck of the woods. Metro Denver still gets the majority of its local mail delivered overnight. /danno ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:37:38 +0100 From: "pos" Subject: Re: VAX 7000 cameo appearance Message-ID: <487b80c0$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com> > with a StorageWorks cabinet containing four TZ8x7 libraries > [snip] I was wondering where my backups had gone.... ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.391 ************************