INFO-VAX Wed, 11 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 324 Contents: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Re: Enterprise bragging rights Re: Enterprise bragging rights Re: Enterprise bragging rights RE: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 alpha Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Re: How secur is delete/erase ? 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Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:16:01 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that I still have a VAX APL manual, circa 1986, in a box in storage. If I do, I'll scan it to .pdf for you. Can't guarantee when I'll be able to check into this - perhaps next week. "John Reagan" wrote in message news:g2c51o$8r0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Marc Van Dyck wrote: >> Rich Jordan submitted this idea : >> >>> On Apr 26, 3:08 pm, urbancamo wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry for repeating myself, but does anyone out there have a set of >>>> the VAX APL Manuals? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time, >>>> >>>> Mark. >>> >>> >>> I certainly don't have hardcopy. Would they have ever been available >>> on the CONDIST/CONDOC sets? If so any idea what timeframe? I do have >>> some moderately old ones of those but stored offsite so I can't look >>> at them now. >>> >>> Rich >> >> >> As far as I remember, VAX APL is a product that has been retired >> quite early, before Alpha, I would say around 1990 but I'm not sure. >> I'm almost sure it has never been published on CD at all. After product >> retirement, its sources have been donated to DECUS. May be the sources >> of the manuals followed the same way ? >> > > Hey, guess what? I was cleaning out a box of old stuff and found a TK50 > marked as "VAX APL V4.0 Manuals in .PS format". The books are dated from > 1991, the saveset and tape were created in 1995. The files came off the > tape just fine (finding a TK70 drive was the fun part). I'll convert them > into PDF with Acrobat. I'll try to get them stuck on the next freeware CD > but in the meantime, if you want to send me some email I'll send them. I > didn't find any SDML Document sources (or whatever they were written in), > just the .PS files. > > -- > John Reagan > OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32 Project Leader > Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 16:34:03 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Enterprise bragging rights Message-ID: <8UHy6nr8UV1$@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <484ddbef$0$12298$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > For those of you who think that VMS has a lot of "enterprise" bragging > rights.. > > http://www.vaxination.ca/wwdc_1.jpg > > Looks like Apple isn't affraid to discuss with whom is it working in > terms of features for its software. > Hm. Most vendors have gone to Windows CE on their PDAs and phones. Somehow I don't think Apple is a Windows vendor, but does iPhone run an OS based on Darwin, or some other base? For that matter, what kernel does iPod use? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:43:52 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Enterprise bragging rights Message-ID: <7af6c$484f1154$4c0aab67$7711@TEKSAVVY.COM> iPhone uses OS X "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:8UHy6nr8UV1$@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <484ddbef$0$12298$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > writes: >> For those of you who think that VMS has a lot of "enterprise" bragging >> rights.. >> >> http://www.vaxination.ca/wwdc_1.jpg >> >> Looks like Apple isn't affraid to discuss with whom is it working in >> terms of features for its software. >> > > Hm. Most vendors have gone to Windows CE on their PDAs and phones. > Somehow I don't think Apple is a Windows vendor, but does iPhone run > an OS based on Darwin, or some other base? > > For that matter, what kernel does iPod use? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:45:51 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Enterprise bragging rights Message-ID: <68f$484f11cb$4c0aab67$8131@TEKSAVVY.COM> iPhone uses OS X. You can sign up as an iPhone developer, download the SDK, and then build apps that you can sell on the iPhone store for any price you set. Apple keeps 30% of the selling price for providing the storefront, the distribution mechanism, the Visa/mastercard txn processing etc... So what if they get to keep $300,000 of the $1 million for the classified app you sell to the Chinese - you can have your cut of the money sent directly to your Swiss bank account. "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:8UHy6nr8UV1$@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <484ddbef$0$12298$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > writes: >> For those of you who think that VMS has a lot of "enterprise" bragging >> rights.. >> >> http://www.vaxination.ca/wwdc_1.jpg >> >> Looks like Apple isn't affraid to discuss with whom is it working in >> terms of features for its software. >> > > Hm. Most vendors have gone to Windows CE on their PDAs and phones. > Somehow I don't think Apple is a Windows vendor, but does iPhone run > an OS based on Darwin, or some other base? > > For that matter, what kernel does iPod use? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:40:13 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 alpha Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Cayemberg [mailto:keith.cayemberg@arcor.de] > Sent: June 10, 2008 7:07 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on > OpenVMS alpha 7.1 alpha 7.1 alpha 7.1 > Keith, Excellent reply. Another keeper. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 23:38:22 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 Message-ID: <6b8hjeF37og03U2@mid.individual.net> In article <90d9d32c-ee99-435b-84d9-c46d9701268f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, ultradwc@gmail.com writes: > how many other OS's can claim that? I have never had a virus on Unix and I have been running it in it's many different flavors, frequently in rather hostile environments, for more than 20 years. I haven't had a virus on a windows box under my control in more than 10 years. I have never seen a virus on a machine running Primos and they have been around for more than 20 years as well. How about Unisys EXEC? zOS? MVS? It is much easier to count the OSes that are susceptible to viruses than those not. And even the worst can be safely operated. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:49:52 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: Rod wrote: > One technique I've been unofficially told is used by the Canadian > Armed Forces to ensure permanent erasure of scrapped hard drives: > > - Remove platters from drives > - Belt sander applied to recording surfaces > > I would supplementally suggest using a dust mask and eye protection. Another technique I heard at a previous job involved melting the platters, mixing them with radioactive material, and burying the resulting slag. True? I don't know. Given some the information that may have been on those platters? wouldn't surprise me. -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32 Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rdpiccard@gmail.com Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: <2ec3b455-f146-4149-af3d-2160c3f156ef@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Jun 10, 8:51 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 05:27:47AM -0700, Rod wrote: > > One technique I've been unofficially told is used by the Canadian > > Armed Forces to ensure permanent erasure of scrapped hard drives: > > > - Remove platters from drives > > - Belt sander applied to recording surfaces > > > I would supplementally suggest using a dust mask and eye protection. > > that's a bit extreme.. > why not just cook the platters. Probably heating the drives to 400oC or so > would do the job. Very cheap and very little manual labour. The necessary temperature is a physical property of the magnetic medium, the Curie Temperature. If you get all of any sample of any permanently magnetizable material above its Curie Temperature, no matter for how short a time, and then cool it, the resulting state is randomized, with zero retained information from the original state. This quantum mechanical effect provides a sure and certain erasure, beyond any possibility of recovery, provided only that you know what the Curie Temperature is, and that you bake it long enough to get the entire sample above it. Setting your oven hotter just reduces the time you need to bake it, in order to be sure that the coldest part is warm enough. I have no idea what the Curie Temperature is for the recording medium on modern disk drives, nor whether any modern disk drive's other components will survive such a high temperature excursion. I do not expect that they would. > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 16:38:43 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: <4qbPlsaZBjXM@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Rod writes: > One technique I've been unofficially told is used by the Canadian > Armed Forces to ensure permanent erasure of scrapped hard drives: > > - Remove platters from drives > - Belt sander applied to recording surfaces > > I would supplementally suggest using a dust mask and eye protection. Unofficially, but often mentioned, the US DoD supposedly uses sledgehammers. If they can't get enough sledgehammers in Canada, perhaps they could just remove the spindle and enter it into a Curling match. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 22:12:33 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: <484efc51$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <2ec3b455-f146-4149-af3d-2160c3f156ef@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, rdpiccard@gmail.com writes: >On Jun 10, 8:51 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 05:27:47AM -0700, Rod wrote: >> > One technique I've been unofficially told is used by the Canadian >> > Armed Forces to ensure permanent erasure of scrapped hard drives: >> >> > - Remove platters from drives >> > - Belt sander applied to recording surfaces >> >> > I would supplementally suggest using a dust mask and eye protection. >> >> that's a bit extreme.. >> why not just cook the platters. Probably heating the drives to 400oC or so >> would do the job. Very cheap and very little manual labour. > >The necessary temperature is a physical property of the magnetic >medium, the Curie Temperature. If you get all of any sample of any >permanently magnetizable material above its Curie Temperature, no >matter for how short a time, and then cool it, the resulting state is >randomized, with zero retained information from the original state. >This quantum mechanical effect provides a sure and certain erasure, >beyond any possibility of recovery, provided only that you know what >the Curie Temperature is, and that you bake it long enough to get the >entire sample above it. Setting your oven hotter just reduces the time >you need to bake it, in order to be sure that the coldest part is warm >enough. > >I have no idea what the Curie Temperature is for the recording medium >on modern disk drives, nor whether any modern disk drive's other >components will survive such a high temperature excursion. I do not >expect that they would. Now you've made me Temperature Curie-ous. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 22:17:28 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: How secur is delete/erase ? Message-ID: <484efd78$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <4qbPlsaZBjXM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , Rod writes: >> One technique I've been unofficially told is used by the Canadian >> Armed Forces to ensure permanent erasure of scrapped hard drives: >> >> - Remove platters from drives >> - Belt sander applied to recording surfaces >> >> I would supplementally suggest using a dust mask and eye protection. > > Unofficially, but often mentioned, the US DoD supposedly uses > sledgehammers. Would those be the $700.00 or $7,000.00 sledgehammers? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:07:14 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: Instructions setting up reverse LAT port on RSX11 Message-ID: JCamCMKRNL skrev: > Rob, > > I found the section you referred to in the DECNet RSX programmers > manual. We are whipping up a little Macro-11 Program called LATCON to do > the QIO ORIGINATE CONNECTION operation such that after we create and set > the ports in LCP we will simply enter in these commands: > >> LATCON TT122: >> LATCON TT123: > > etc. > > Thanks for your guidance. We probably never would have found this > little tid bit of necessary information without your help. > > Jeff Jeff. You don't have to do the IO.ORG QIO$ call. Any IO.RVB or IO.WVB will implicitly do the connection for you if one isn't established. This is all mentioned in section 6.2.4 of the DECnet-RSX Programmers Manual. Page 6-10. You should be able to just do a PIP TTnn:=LB:[1,2]LOGIN.TXT, and the file should turn up on the remote terminal. If it don't then something isn't set up right. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:19:11 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Instructions setting up reverse LAT port on RSX11 Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Jeff. You don't have to do the IO.ORG QIO$ call. Any IO.RVB or > IO.WVB will implicitly do the connection for you if one isn't > established. This is all mentioned in section 6.2.4 of the > DECnet-RSX Programmers Manual. Page 6-10. I often found that an implicit connection was not good enough, giving results that Jeff reported earlier. Then an explicit connection was required. > You should be able to just do a PIP TTnn:=LB:[1,2]LOGIN.TXT, and the > file should turn up on the remote terminal. If it don't then > something isn't set up right. It didn't work for him and often did not for me. Your further advice would be useful. - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:14:32 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com> I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across this one from HP: OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? Ken ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 20:37:53 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <484ee621$0$5002$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across >this one from HP: > >OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 > >&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605575&art_servlet_language=3Den&sele= >cted_language=3Den&csNo=3D2> > >Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? TaloeX Application Error 500 An application error has occurred. Please log out of the application and log in again. If the problem persists, please contact Taloe's Technical support. For assistance: * If you are a Candidate, please visit http://www.taleo.com/support. * If you are a WebTop(tm) User, please use out Technical Support Hotline to contact is. [© Taleo Corporation, 2007] -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:40:58 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0071A7AC85257464_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Ken Robinson" wrote on 06/10/2008 03:14:32 PM: > I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across > this one from HP: >=20 > OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer ? 233252 >=20 > =20 art=5Fip=5Faction=3DFlowDispatcher&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605= 575&art=5Fservlet=5Flanguage=3Den&selected=5Flanguage=3Den&csNo=3D2 > > >=20 > Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? >=20 > Ken The poor structure, random capitalization, (lack of) parallel language=20 constructs and punctuation, and absence of any proofreading is appalling. 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Did you apply? --=_alternative 0071A7AC85257464_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:56:10 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <7dd80f60806101356o659a21d6y2bd7be12a43edcc4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, wrote: > In article <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >>I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across >>this one from HP: >> >>OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 >> >>>&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605575&art_servlet_language=3Den&sele= >>cted_language=3Den&csNo=3D2> >> >>Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? > > TaloeX > Application Error 500 > An application error has occurred. Please log out of the application and For those of you who can't see the ad (for whatever reason), here is the text from the start of the ad (notice the part that says "Right now we're re-inventing marketing.": Job Description Description business environment hp gives business the solutions it needs. We work to understand the world. Know how it thinks. How its markets work. What makes business tick. Then we invent. And reinvent if necessary. Right now we're re-inventing marketing. Shifting focus from the product line to the customer. Servicing customers better with streamlined processes and tools. Building a more efficient marketing function. Using in-depth knowledge of our customers top produce and promote products, services and solutions that exceed their expectations. Marketing helps create our vision. Marketing people make it happen. job description Working throughout the product life-cycle from conception through introduction to evolution, you'll be responsible for driving our successful position in the market by ensuring that our product lines meet and beat their targets and grow faster than those of our competitors. This involves new product development and launch, plus other offerings throughout the product life-cycle, including regional volume forecasting and pricing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:56:40 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <08061016564070_20200492@antinode.info> From: norm.raphael@metso.com > The poor structure, random capitalization, (lack of) parallel language=20 > constructs and punctuation, and absence of any proofreading is appalling. Yes, they is pretty bad. Almost as if targeted at comp.os.vms users. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 22:14:51 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <484efcda$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <7dd80f60806101356o659a21d6y2bd7be12a43edcc4@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, wrote: >> In article <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >>>I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across >>>this one from HP: >>> >>>OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 >>> >>>>>&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605575&art_servlet_language=3Den&sele= >>>cted_language=3Den&csNo=3D2> >>> >>>Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? >> >> TaloeX >> Application Error 500 >> An application error has occurred. Please log out of the application and > >For those of you who can't see the ad (for whatever reason), here is >the text from the start of the ad (notice the part that says "Right >now we're re-inventing marketing.": > >Job Description > > >Description >business environment > >hp gives business the solutions it needs. > >We work to understand the world. Know how it thinks. How its markets >work. What makes business tick. > >Then we invent. > >And reinvent if necessary. > >Right now we're re-inventing marketing. Shifting focus from the >product line to the customer. Servicing customers better with >streamlined processes and tools. Building a more efficient marketing >function. Using in-depth knowledge of our customers top produce and >promote products, services and solutions that exceed their >expectations. > >Marketing helps create our vision. > >Marketing people make it happen. > >job description > >Working throughout the product life-cycle from conception through >introduction to evolution, you'll be responsible for driving our >successful position in the market by ensuring that our product lines >meet and beat their targets and grow faster than those of our >competitors. This involves new product development and launch, plus >other offerings throughout the product life-cycle, including regional >volume forecasting and pricing. Please excuse my poor reading comprehension level but where in that blurb is there any discussion of OpenVMS? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:34:28 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <7dd80f60806101534h18afbbb1y437cb75c44a4796@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, wrote: > In article <7dd80f60806101356o659a21d6y2bd7be12a43edcc4@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >>On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, wrote: >>> In article <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >>>>I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across >>>>this one from HP: >>>> >>>>OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 >>>> >>>>>>>&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605575&art_servlet_language=3Den&sele= >>>>cted_language=3Den&csNo=3D2> >>>> >>>>Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? >>> [snip] > > Please excuse my poor reading comprehension level but where in that blurb > is there any discussion of OpenVMS? > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html > Just the title of the Job Posting OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:52:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <484f06e6$0$12312$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > Please excuse my poor reading comprehension level but where in that blurb > is there any discussion of OpenVMS? OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer – 233252 First line at the top. Perhaps Sue could provide some background on that job ? is this just a replacement, or is it new job/new budgets ? Is there a change in policy against VMS mainstream marketing, or is this to be just an ambassador's job ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <53a4bb03-9a4b-48c2-8f48-3868447489de@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 10, 5:52 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Perhaps Sue could provide some background on that job ? > > is this just a replacement, or is it new job/new budgets ? Is there a > change in policy against VMS mainstream marketing, or is this to be just > an ambassador's job ? It might be a response to some rumors I've heard in the steel industry. Virtually all of the steel mills use some form of DEC OS, from PDP all the way through Itanic. There have been some serious grumblings there about the level of service VMS is receiving and the level of commitment on the part of HP. If just a couple of the global steel companies banded together, they could do a hostile take over of HP that the HP family could not defend against. When your down time is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per second, you don't take lightly someone messing with a tool you've used for years. A brand new steel mill is being built outside of Hong Kong. It is a project measured in many hundreds of millions. It is also installing OpenVMS as its core platform. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:16:21 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <1213128516_6994@isp.n> Richard Brodie wrote: > "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message news:1213022099_6325@isp.n... > >> My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with >> "f" but requires the entire command line. > > I think you can shorten it down to f s c n c e "*". > > Oh, THAT really helps!! 8-) 8-) Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:34:59 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: Jeff Campbell wrote: > Richard Brodie wrote: >> "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message >> news:1213022099_6325@isp.n... >> >>> My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with >>> "f" but requires the entire command line. >> >> I think you can shorten it down to f s c n c e "*". >> > Oh, THAT really helps!! 8-) 8-) > Don't know what "f s c n c e ""*""" might mean or do but I'd suggest spelling it out in full if you are going to put it in a command file! Abbreviation is great for interactive use but for use in command files that may have to be deciphered by others, commands should be given in full! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:50:39 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <1213148574_8103@isp.n> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Jeff Campbell wrote: >> Richard Brodie wrote: >>> "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message >>> news:1213022099_6325@isp.n... >>> >>>> My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with >>>> "f" but requires the entire command line. >>> >>> I think you can shorten it down to f s c n c e "*". >>> >> Oh, THAT really helps!! 8-) 8-) >> > > Don't know what "f s c n c e ""*""" might mean or do but I'd suggest > spelling it out in full if you are going to put it in a command file! > Abbreviation is great for interactive use but for use in command files > that may have to be deciphered by others, commands should be given in full! > > Hi Dragon, It's: NCL> flush session control naming cache entry "*" The single letter "sentence" does work. 8-) Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:01:18 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: Jeff Campbell wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Jeff Campbell wrote: >>> Richard Brodie wrote: >>>> "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message >>>> news:1213022099_6325@isp.n... >>>> >>>>> My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with >>>>> "f" but requires the entire command line. >>>> >>>> I think you can shorten it down to f s c n c e "*". >>>> >>> Oh, THAT really helps!! 8-) 8-) >>> >> >> Don't know what "f s c n c e ""*""" might mean or do but I'd suggest >> spelling it out in full if you are going to put it in a command file! >> Abbreviation is great for interactive use but for use in command files >> that may have to be deciphered by others, commands should be given in >> full! >> >> > Hi Dragon, > > It's: > > NCL> flush session control naming cache entry "*" > > The single letter "sentence" does work. 8-) > Thanks. I'm sure is does "work" but if I need to ask an expert to decipher it, it's too cryptic! Since first encountering this stuff, I've been careful to install Phase IV rather than Phase V!!! It may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but I will manage to get along without it somehow. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 16:36:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Need an external CD/DVD writer for DS10. Message-ID: In article , Rod writes: > > Neat trick since USB support is disabled by the firmware on at least > some > of the Alpha models. The USB interface built into DS10L just doesn't work. Later Alphas have USB that are very much alive and well. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 22:20:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Need an external CD/DVD writer for DS10. Message-ID: <484efe38$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , Rod writes: >> >> Neat trick since USB support is disabled by the firmware on at least >> some >> of the Alpha models. > > The USB interface built into DS10L just doesn't work. Later Alphas > have USB that are very much alive and well. Not at all or just for OpenVMS? I was thinking of trying a Linux distro on a DS10L. Before I go pulling out large handfuls of hair (and those'd be big handfuls with my mop) trying to get it to support USB, this would be good to know. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: alan_fay@symantec.com Subject: NetBackup OpenVMS Client 6.5.2 now available for download Message-ID: The NetBackup OpenVMS Client 6.5.2 release update for OpenVMS Alpha (AXP), HP Integrity (IA64), and VAX systems is now available for download from Veritas support:- http://support.veritas.com/ NetBackup Enterprise Server --> Downloads File name: NB_VMS_6.5.2_304444.ZIP Please see the RELEASE_NOTES.txt file and the NB_VMS_65.pdf Veritas NetBackup User's Guide for OpenVMS. Alan Fay Roseville Engineering Symantec Corporation ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 16:46:59 -0500 From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: newsreader client for VMS Message-ID: In article , burley+news@encompasserve.org (Graham Burley) writes: > In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > >> Can anyone recommend a newsreader client for VMS which a) allows >> password-based authentication and b) will allow me to post an article >> "as is" including all headers? > > On DECUServe we've modified the ANU News client to handle basic > authentication, there's also a build/port of SLRN. I don't know if > either will let you provide your own headers, I suspect not. > >> Alternatively, who knows enough to write some code to do the above > > Python has an nntplib module which might help, or you could use a > telnet script (Kermit?), the only tricky bit would be dot-stuffing. There are some Perl nntp modules as well. The following, by coincidence, were just recently installed on my Debian (Sarge) Linux system: # apropos nntp Net::NNTP (3perl) - NNTP Client class Net::NNTP (3pm) - NNTP Client class News::NNTPClient (3pm) - Perl 5 module to talk to NNTP (RFC977) server Whether these particular modules have ever been tested under VMS Perl I cannot say. -- George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org cornelius A T mayo D O T edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 23:47:13 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: <6b8i41F37og03U3@mid.individual.net> In article , Michael Austin writes: > David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> STCTON10-1168104581.sdsl.bell.ca is the RDNS listing for your IP. >> It should be weaverconsulting.ca >> >> >> > > my guess is that his problem is the same as mine has always been. You > are being bounced because you are using Dynamic DNS or have not had > bell.ca add your static IP address as the RDNS. > > Most companies now reject anything that does not properly RDNS. Period. > Not only does it make it harder for spammers, it screws the legitimate > guys that want to maintain their own SMTP sites. Some ISP's (ATT, SBC, > etc....) now block ANY outbound port 25 traffic forcing you to use their > authenticated, SSL smtp server. As it should be!! If all networks, especially ISP's blocked port 25 for all machines except those specifically registered as email MTA's SPAM would quickly become almost non-existant. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:20:38 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Rdb v1.0 launch date Message-ID: <3aad9$484edfe9$4c0aab67$20419@TEKSAVVY.COM> Does anybody recollect when Rdb v1.0 was launched? There was press today about DB2's 25th annivesary and how Oracle and Ingres beat it to market. http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/database_apps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208403005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Rdb v1.0 launch date Message-ID: <8b033540-e170-437a-9c19-6bfe3472e6a2@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> On Jun 10, 3:20 pm, "John Smith" wrote: > Does anybody recollect when Rdb v1.0 was launched? > > There was press today about DB2's 25th annivesary and how Oracle and Ingres > beat it to market. > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/database_apps/showArticl... My copy of the "Rdb/VMS, A Comprehensive Guide" has this in the preface: "Digital announced Rdb/VMS in 1984 as a relational database for its proprietary VAX/VMS operating system. The early versions of the Rdb/ VMS system enjoyed limited success. With Version 3.0, however, Rdb/ VMS emerged as a relational database management system that could be used in high-performance transaction-processing systems running on Digital's popular VAXclusters." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:04:25 +0100 From: "pos" Subject: Re: Rdb v1.0 launch date Message-ID: <484f167f$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com> >>The early versions of the Rdb/ >>VMS system enjoyed limited success. With respect to all the guys and girls involved, I love phrases like that.... ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 23:28:13 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Remembering APL-11 (WAS: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals) Message-ID: <6b8h0dF37og03U1@mid.individual.net> In article , John Reagan writes: > Galen wrote: > >> Just curious: Has anyone seen a copy of APL-11 media recently? Since >> APL-11 dates from so long ago, "recently" can be taken to mean within >> the last 10 or so years :-) >> > > In the same box I found the TK50 with the VAX APL manuals, I also found > a set of RX01 floppies labelled: > > "AS-5454B-BC, APL-11 V2.0 RT" > > with a manufacturing date of 14-May-1980. > > I don't know if the "RT" means "RT-11" or "run-time" or something else. > > Needless to say, I don't have a system to read these on. Any suggestions? I can't do anything until I get back home in August but if no one has done anything with them by then I can definitely read them. Be interesting to see what's on them. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:38:24 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: <484f0456$0$20553$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Peter Weaver wrote: > Teksavy.com is looking very good > right now. They have been growing by leaps and bounds and some new employees. If you have any problems, ask to speek to "steve" (if you get him, mention that "jf" says hello. For dns stuff, you can email dnsadmin at teksavvy period com. > - I was able to setup SPF records for my most of my domain names, except for > the weaverconsulting.ca domain since it uses a different DNS provider. My > SMTP uses weaverconsulting.ca in its hello message so the SPF records on the > other domains are useless. SPF can handle that. If you have the MAIL FROM: domain as weaverconsulting.ca , then the receiving SMTP server will quyery the SPF record for weaverconsulting.ca. That SPF record can authorize other SMTP servers on your behalf. (in my previous example, I authorized the teksavvy servers to send mail on behalf of my domain by including teksavvy's own SPF records. [brakes:~] JFMEZEI% nslookup > set type=txt > teksavvy.com Server: 10.0.0.11 Address: 10.0.0.11#53 Non-authoritative answer: teksavvy.com text = "v=spf1 include:spf1.teksavvy.com include:spf2.teksavvy.com include:spf3.teksavvy.com ~all exp=spfexp.teksavvy.com" You can then query each entry in the list. > - After a lot of testing I find that if I create a brand new message it > makes it through to the hotmail.com account about 50% of the time, If you test with your own account and your own account has sent you mail once, your tests may not reflect you sending a message to someone for the first time. In other words, there is no assurance that sending an email to a new correspondant will ever make it to them. > Conclusion; hotmail.com should be avoided whenever possible. Yep. But hard to tell that many people to leave hotmail. They blame the problems on your server. And remember that sympatico customers are now on hotmail as well. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2008 17:51:48 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: <484ebf34$0$11640$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <02d1c911-043a-4cc1-8b66-5aee83180306@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: >On Jun 10, 11:37 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> I'm interested in these 2 books, both 2nd edition, but cannot >> find any bookseller that have either. The books appear on various >> bookseller sites, but all "unavailable". Moreover, the details, >> e.g. publication year, differ slightly from one site to another, >> but ISBNs seem to be correct. >> >> Could anybody recommend a bookseller >> that might have either books in stock please. >> >> many thanks >> anton >> >> OpenVMS Performance Management >> von Hein VanKoelen (Autor), Joginder Sethi (Autor), Hein van Koelen (Autor) >> * Verlag: Digital Press; Auflage: 2nd Ed (30. April 2003) >> * ISBN-10: 1555582753 >> * ISBN-13: 978-1555582753 > > >Available at Amazon (US) http://www.amazon.com/OpenVMS-Performance-Management-HP-Technologies/dp/1555581269 >Amazon IK >http://www.amazon.co.uk/OpenVMS-Performance-Management-HP-Technologies/dp/1555581269/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213119058&sr=8-1 > >Or from the publisher Elsevier (Formerly Digital Press) >http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/677438/description#description > > >> >> Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C: >> Developer's Guide and Reference Manual (Paperback) >> by Margie Sherlock (Author), Leonard Szubowicz (Author) >> >> * Paperback: 896 pages >> * Publisher: Digital Press; 2nd Ed edition (31 Jul 1999) or 2003 ? >> * Language English >> * ISBN-10: 1555582095 >> * ISBN-13: 978-1555582098 >> > >Long out of print. You have to search far and wide to find the 2nd >edition. I got a copy of the 1st edition on Ebay, but Amazon has some >through it's associate sellers. Sue made several copies of Margie's book available and free for the taking at Bookcamp. Another benefit of OpenVMS Bootcamp. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:06:42 -0700 From: Ryan Moore Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <02d1c911-043a-4cc1-8b66-5aee83180306@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: >> On Jun 10, 11:37 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>> Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C: >>> Developer's Guide and Reference Manual (Paperback) >>> by Margie Sherlock (Author), Leonard Szubowicz (Author) >>> >>> * Paperback: 896 pages >>> * Publisher: Digital Press; 2nd Ed edition (31 Jul 1999) or 2003 ? >>> * Language English >>> * ISBN-10: 1555582095 >>> * ISBN-13: 978-1555582098 >> >> Long out of print. You have to search far and wide to find the 2nd >> edition. I got a copy of the 1st edition on Ebay, but Amazon has some >> through it's associate sellers. > > Sue made several copies of Margie's book available and free for the taking > at Bookcamp. Another benefit of OpenVMS Bootcamp. I was under the impression a lot of the information in this book was out-of-date anyway. I certainly don't remember any 64-bit information in it. Unless it showed up in the 2nd edition and I only saw the first. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2008 00:53:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: <484f21f8$0$11598$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Ryan Moore writes: >On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <02d1c911-043a-4cc1-8b66-5aee83180306@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: >>> On Jun 10, 11:37 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >>>> Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C: >>>> Developer's Guide and Reference Manual (Paperback) >>>> by Margie Sherlock (Author), Leonard Szubowicz (Author) >>>> >>>> * Paperback: 896 pages >>>> * Publisher: Digital Press; 2nd Ed edition (31 Jul 1999) or 2003 ? >>>> * Language English >>>> * ISBN-10: 1555582095 >>>> * ISBN-13: 978-1555582098 >>> >>> Long out of print. You have to search far and wide to find the 2nd >>> edition. I got a copy of the 1st edition on Ebay, but Amazon has some >>> through it's associate sellers. >> >> Sue made several copies of Margie's book available and free for the taking >> at Bookcamp. Another benefit of OpenVMS Bootcamp. > > >I was under the impression a lot of the information in this book was >out-of-date anyway. I certainly don't remember any 64-bit information in >it. Unless it showed up in the 2nd edition and I only saw the first. C'mon! We all know that the definitive documentation is called the source listings. I have two copies of the book (one Margie signed for me) and I have only used it for cursory reference. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:27:05 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: where to buy these 2 vms books? Message-ID: Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I'm interested in these 2 books, both 2nd edition, but cannot > find any bookseller that have either. The books appear on various > bookseller sites, but all "unavailable". Moreover, the details, > e.g. publication year, differ slightly from one site to another, > but ISBNs seem to be correct. > > Could anybody recommend a bookseller > that might have either books in stock please. > > many thanks > anton > > OpenVMS Performance Management > von Hein VanKoelen (Autor), Joginder Sethi (Autor), Hein van Koelen (Autor) > * Verlag: Digital Press; Auflage: 2nd Ed (30. April 2003) > * ISBN-10: 1555582753 > * ISBN-13: 978-1555582753 > > Writing Open VMS Alpha Device Drivers in C: > Developer's Guide and Reference Manual (Paperback) > by Margie Sherlock (Author), Leonard Szubowicz (Author) > > * Paperback: 896 pages > * Publisher: Digital Press; 2nd Ed edition (31 Jul 1999) or 2003 ? > * Language English > * ISBN-10: 1555582095 > * ISBN-13: 978-1555582098 > If you can't find these volumes on Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble (don't know the URL) they are probably out of print and no longer available! ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.324 ************************