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[VMS] Modifying the batchjob restart value? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <90bf1804-5fa9-46b3-ac65-edd505df9f1c@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> Hello Ken, when I try to open the first image on my DS15 with SWB 1.7-13 I get: Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/ index.php on line 121 Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1932-05.jpg) [function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 309 I will try later on my Mac. Bart Zorn On May 29, 3:17 am, "Ken Robinson" wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Sue wrote: > > On May 26, 5:00 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> While Las Vegas brags about "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", they > >> also like to break that rule by showing in TV ads what actually happens > >> in Vegas :-) :-) :-) > > I finally got the pictures I took uploaded to my site. You can see > them at . There are > pictures from both 2006 & 2008 on this site. > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:48:34 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <6ls%j.7719$R_4.6453@newsb.telia.net> Bart.Zorn@gmail.com wrote: > Hello Ken, > > when I try to open the first image on my DS15 with SWB 1.7-13 I get: > > Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: > Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/ > index.php on line 121 > > Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image > resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 > > Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource > in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 > > Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1932-05.jpg) > [function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or > directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line > 309 > > I will try later on my Mac. > > Bart Zorn > > On May 29, 3:17 am, "Ken Robinson" wrote: >> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Sue wrote: >>> On May 26, 5:00 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >>>> While Las Vegas brags about "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", they >>>> also like to break that rule by showing in TV ads what actually happens >>>> in Vegas :-) :-) :-) >> I finally got the pictures I took uploaded to my site. You can see >> them at . There are >> pictures from both 2006 & 2008 on this site. >> >> Ken > I also got that (WinXP/Firefox), but you can click the "See fullsize picture" link at the bottom of the error page... Picture-texts with names of the persons would have been nice... :-) Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:07:49 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <7dd80f60805290407l3edb9b11r50b841d4b63dead7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Bart.Zorn@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hello Ken, >> >> when I try to open the first image on my DS15 with SWB 1.7-13 I get: >> >> Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: >> Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/ >> index.php on line 121 >> >> Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image >> resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 >> >> Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource >> in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 >> >> Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1932-05.jpg) >> [function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or >> directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line >> 309 >> >> I will try later on my Mac. >> >> Bart Zorn >> >> On May 29, 3:17 am, "Ken Robinson" wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Sue wrot= e: >>>> >>>> On May 26, 5:00 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >>>>> >>>>> While Las Vegas brags about "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", >>>>> they >>>>> also like to break that rule by showing in TV ads what actually happe= ns >>>>> in Vegas :-) :-) :-) >>> >>> I finally got the pictures I took uploaded to my site. You can see >>> them at . There are >>> pictures from both 2006 & 2008 on this site. >>> >>> Ken >> > > I also got that (WinXP/Firefox), but you can click the > "See fullsize picture" link at the bottom of the > error page... > > Picture-texts with names of the persons would have > been nice... :-) I get the same errors. :-( Sometihng must have changed on my host last night. :-( Since I don't know who most of the people are, I really can't identify people other than Sue. If someone wants to help identify them, I would be happy to add captions. Ken ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 12:36:55 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <483ea367$0$15198$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >Hal Kuff wrote: >> In article <483b5dcc$0$15163$607ed4bc@cv.net>, >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>> In article <483b4c7b$0$7264$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei >>> writes: >>>> bradhamilton wrote: >>>> >>>>> Check Hoff's blogs for his take on this issue... >>>> Thanks. Should have thought about going to his site. (I wonder how many >>>> nominations he got ? (and number of votes :-) >>>> >>>> It would be interesting to get off the record information on just how >>>> much information was *really* NDA and how much was easily releasable >>>> information. >>>> >>>> It is a shame that the only remaining VMS event is getting such clamped >>>> down security. >>> JF, >>> >>> Most people that attended are probably still in transit. Couple that with >>> the US Memorial Day holiday and I doubt you will hear much for another few >>> days. >>> >>> That said, bootcamp was comprised of many of the usual and unusual -- my- >>> self included -- suspects. >>> >>> I must say that I felt quite honored by all of the people who approached >>> me on Tuesday evening when I'd arrived to thank me for coming. It's just >>> little ol' me but somehow it meant more to people by my being there. I >>> can only say thanks*1E+06 to those who welcomed me. >>> >>> The only sad or negative news to report from bootcamp is that the draught >>> Guinness faucet in the Granite Lounge never once poured me a proper pint; >>> in fact, it never poured a pint period. >> >> hey Brian, your e-mail address working? Trying to reach you. > >I think Brian has some pretty heavy spam filtering in place. If you're >not on his "white list" he may never see your e-mail. He is on the whitelist now. One of his messages did get to me as he used the passkey. >Comcast does my filtering and thank God for that! It's a jungle out >there!!!! http://www.the-ocean.com/looney/sounds/dixie.wav -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 12:37:35 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <483ea38f$0$15198$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <90bf1804-5fa9-46b3-ac65-edd505df9f1c@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" writes: >Hello Ken, > >when I try to open the first image on my DS15 with SWB 1.7-13 I get: > >Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: >Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/ >index.php on line 121 > >Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image >resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 > >Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource >in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 > >Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1932-05.jpg) >[function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or >directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line >309 > >I will try later on my Mac. > >Bart Zorn Does the same on my Mac. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:15:24 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: In article <7dd80f60805281817w1191eb3fp6fd8f27350beed1f@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: > > I finally got the pictures I took uploaded to my site. You can see > them at . There are > pictures from both 2006 & 2008 on this site. Thanks, good to see the pics, but 1) needs cookies 2) in Firefox, cling on the picrures to enlarge them sometimes works, but always starts the page with errors similar to: Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 121 Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1955-07.jpg) [function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 309 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:26:54 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <7dd80f60805290626h466e333buc7b9020265484f73@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > In article <90bf1804-5fa9-46b3-ac65-edd505df9f1c@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" writes: >>Hello Ken, >> >>when I try to open the first image on my DS15 with SWB 1.7-13 I get: >> >>Warning: imagecreatetruecolor() [function.imagecreatetruecolor]: >>Invalid image dimensions in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/ >>index.php on line 121 >> >>Warning: imagecopyresampled(): supplied argument is not a valid Image >>resource in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 123 >> >>Warning: imagejpeg(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource >>in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line 124 >> >>Warning: getimagesize(./2008/20080519/smaller_20080519-1932-05.jpg) >>[function.getimagesize]: failed to open stream: No such file or >>directory in /home/smile/public_html/vms_bootcamp/index.php on line >>309 >> >>I will try later on my Mac. >> >>Bart Zorn > > Does the same on my Mac. > It doesn't matter what browser/client you use, since this is a PHP script problem on the host, which has now been fixed. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:24:21 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Any news from Bootcamp ? Message-ID: <7dd80f60805290724y20f5778cuf813f92f2b73f139@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <7dd80f60805281817w1191eb3fp6fd8f27350beed1f@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >> >> I finally got the pictures I took uploaded to my site. You can see >> them at . There are >> pictures from both 2006 & 2008 on this site. > > Thanks, good to see the pics, but > > 1) needs cookies The cookie it uses is to hold the PHPSESSIONID, nothing else. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:07:32 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: Hello, quite some time I remember a post about the same topic with no results. Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes on a per user basis? Any commercial products available? Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:20:26 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: <483e92e8$0$9251$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Christoph Gartmann wrote: > Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes on > a per user basis? Any commercial products available? If you are willing to deal with setting up all the proxies, you can use NFS. TO move MAC files to VMS for stirage and back it works. But to move VMS text files to the MAC, it is supposed to work, works some of the time, but corrups pprtions of text files at other times. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 12:44:09 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: <483ea519$0$15198$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <483e92e8$0$9251$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Christoph Gartmann wrote: > >> Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes on >> a per user basis? Any commercial products available? > >If you are willing to deal with setting up all the proxies, you can use NFS. > >TO move MAC files to VMS for stirage and back it works. But to move VMS >text files to the MAC, it is supposed to work, works some of the time, >but corrups pprtions of text files at other times. I've resorted to just using sftp. It would be nice if I could specify sftp in the Finder's Connect to Server and have it work graphically but command line seems to be the only viable option. NFS and CIFS/Samba have problems. The later has the most problems but both have quirks that make them unreliable and unuseable. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:59:12 +0200 From: usenet@hoffart.de (Goetz Hoffart) Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: <1ihpiv1.1i847x5197e8zbN%usenet@hoffart.de> wrote: > I've resorted to just using sftp. It would be nice if I could specify sftp > in the Finder's Connect to Server and have it work graphically but command > line seems to be the only viable option. MacFUSE gives you userspace fs with options for ssh and NTFS. Using command line transfer for sftp all metadata is lost during transfer. > NFS and CIFS/Samba have problems. The later has the most problems but both > have quirks that make them unreliable and unuseable. On OpenVMS-side or on the Mac? Regards Götz -- http://www.knubbelmac.de/ ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:18:35 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > quite some time I remember a post about the same topic with no results. > Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes on > a per user basis? Any commercial products available? I've been able to set up NFS service on VMS for my Mac using Multinet's NFS server. I had to bring up the terminal tool and explicitly mount using an older NFS protocol. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:53:52 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: In article <483ea519$0$15198$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >In article <483e92e8$0$9251$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >>Christoph Gartmann wrote: >> >>> Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes on >>> a per user basis? Any commercial products available? >> >>If you are willing to deal with setting up all the proxies, you can use NFS. >> >>TO move MAC files to VMS for stirage and back it works. But to move VMS >>text files to the MAC, it is supposed to work, works some of the time, >>but corrups pprtions of text files at other times. > >I've resorted to just using sftp. It would be nice if I could specify sftp >in the Finder's Connect to Server and have it work graphically but command >line seems to be the only viable option. Terminal commands are not an option. I am looking for something that can be handeld by an average Mac user. We have a few hundred of them. So configuring each single Mac isn't an option as well. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: sean@obanion.us Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: <7dfff845-e0a9-4de8-88b7-5ca61070f4c8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 5:44=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <483e92e8$0$9251$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > >Christoph Gartmann wrote: > > >> Thus, how could one provide some OpenVMS storage to Apple Macintoshes o= n > >> a per user basis? Any commercial products available? > > >If you are willing to deal with setting up all the proxies, you can use N= FS. > > >TO move MAC files to VMS for stirage and back it works. But to move VMS > >text files to the MAC, it is supposed to work, works some of the time, > >but corrups pprtions of text files at other times. > > I've resorted to just using sftp. =A0It would be nice if I could specify s= ftp > in the Finder's Connect to Server and have it work graphically but command= > line seems to be the only viable option. > > NFS and CIFS/Samba have problems. =A0The later has the most problems but b= oth > have quirks that make them unreliable and unuseable. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)= COM > > =A0 "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html At the Bootcamp I used the CIFS/Samba that OpenVMS Engineering is releasing. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/network/CIFS_for_Samba.html I did not have a chance to do any file support testing, but simple drag-and-drop copy and file opening from an application from both Win XP and OS X 10.4 worked well. We used both Standalone (uses local authentication) and Member (uses Windows Domain authentication) modes . OS X has the advantage of mounting multiple file services using different credentials (domain/username/password): Windows only wants to use one set of credentials per system, so once you login to a Domain, only those credentials can be used (though there are some limited ways around this...). There is also a Advanced Server conversion procedure, but it seemed a little limited and we gave them some good feedback. Current version of CIFS for OpenVMS is 1.0, which doesn't support being a PDC or BDC, but it sounded like additional functionality was being worked on. Sean ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 16:57:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Connecting OS-X to OpenVMS? Message-ID: <483ee085$0$25064$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <7dfff845-e0a9-4de8-88b7-5ca61070f4c8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, sean@obanion.us writes: >{...snip...} >At the Bootcamp I used the CIFS/Samba that OpenVMS Engineering is >releasing. >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/network/CIFS_for_Samba.html I missed that session as I didn't arrive until late Tuesday eve. >I did not have a chance to do any file support testing, but simple >drag-and-drop copy and file opening from an application from both Win >XP and OS X 10.4 worked well. We used both Standalone (uses local >authentication) and Member (uses Windows Domain authentication) >modes . OS X has the advantage of mounting multiple file services >using different credentials (domain/username/password): Windows only >wants to use one set of credentials per system, so once you login to a >Domain, only those credentials can be used (though there are some >limited ways around this...). There is also a Advanced Server >conversion procedure, but it seemed a little limited and we gave them >some good feedback. > >Current version of CIFS for OpenVMS is 1.0, which doesn't support >being a PDC or BDC, but it sounded like additional functionality was >being worked on. On which version(s) of VMS will the CIFS 1.0 install and run? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:38:20 +0200 From: rejoc Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: <483e95ac$0$9760$426a74cc@news.free.fr> le 27.05.2008 15:17 marlow.andrew@googlemail.com a écrit: > I am talking to some ops people to find out how our internally used > product can be improved. One area they have mentioned is that there is > a job that is currently launched manually. As we know, easily > automated tedious boring repeatative jobs that are done manually are > very errorprone, AFAICS this is crying out to be automated. In Unix I > would make it a cron job. What do I do on OpenVMS? (we are using 7.3 > btw). I know that cron has been ported to the known universe but I > want to propose a solution that uses native VMS facilities if > possible. I have heard that VMS has a scheduled job facility but that > it is more like at than cron. Can someone provide more details please? > Obviously, at wont cut it coz if there is a problem the job may not > run the next time you want it to. > > Regards, > > Andrew Marlow About 20 years ago I wrote a program called "scheduler". It has been for a while on DECUS France tapes... It has (most of) the cron capabilities but it is based on a symbiont as a queue so you can take advantage of queues' failover within a cluster, etc. It takes any .com as you would submit it to a batch queue. You specify the first launch date/time and the delta time (in years/months/days/hours/minutes) and specific parameters you want to pass to the job. It always submit the latest version of the .com All jobs waiting can be seen as waiting jobs with a "$ show queue scheduler" (or whatever you called the scheduler queue). Jobs run under the submitter username. Through the years, the initial program has been compiled to VAX, AXP and now IA64. The symbiont is written in Pascal. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: <7e3f7a6e-7a20-4b92-a5f4-e50dd0bcb44c@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 28, 7:57 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: marlow.and...@googlemail.com > > [mailto:marlow.and...@googlemail.com] > > Sent: May 28, 2008 3:04 AM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS > > > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > > > As others have mentioned, there is at least one port of cron > > available. > > > I think this is what I am going to wind up recommending. > > > > I'd like to recommend a product called JAMS from Argent Software. > > Where > > > cron will run a job every day at 11:45, JAMS will accept > > specifications > > > like "11:45 every weekday except holidays". Execution can be made > > > conditional on the success or failure of some other job. > > > I'm sure JAMS is just fine but they will not agree to paying for any > > new VMS software no matter how cheap the license is. So it looks like > > it's going to be cron. > > > -Andrew Marlow > > Andrew - > > Is there a reason why you would not simply use the native batch facility > Which comes with OpenVMS? That's what he asked for in his OP: "I know that cron has been ported to the known universe but I want to propose a solution that uses native VMS facilities if possible." --Him. AEF > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-254-8911 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:10:56 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: <5LifCzbXc0pM@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Alfred Falk writes: > > So, if the time has come to execute the job, and the disk isn't there, > the job "runs" and fails. No repeated self-submission. Now you need to > manually re-submit the job. > Which is why we keep the .COM files for our repeating jobs on the system disk. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: <9a7d3a49-103d-4cd5-9ae3-e90044183b1d@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On May 27, 4:23 pm, Keith Cayemberg wrote: > On May 27, 6:42 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > > > > > marlow.and...@googlemail.com wrote in news:7f1ab094-5e0d-455a-88af- > > 7b7172b2a...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > > I am talking to some ops people to find out how our internally used > > > product can be improved. One area they have mentioned is that there is > > > a job that is currently launched manually. As we know, easily > > > automated tedious boring repeatative jobs that are done manually are > > > very errorprone, AFAICS this is crying out to be automated. In Unix I > > > would make it a cron job. What do I do on OpenVMS? (we are using 7.3 > > > btw). I know that cron has been ported to the known universe but I > > > want to propose a solution that uses native VMS facilities if > > > possible. I have heard that VMS has a scheduled job facility but that > > > it is more like at than cron. Can someone provide more details please? > > > Obviously, at wont cut it coz if there is a problem the job may not > > > run the next time you want it to. > > > There are several versions of cron available for VMS. VMS has a built- > > in batch queueing system which works very well. Many sites simply use > > self-submitting batch jobs along these lines: > > > $! An example of a self-submitting batch job > > $ SUBMIT/AFTER="Tomorrow+8:00" 'F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE")' > > ... do the work > > > This generally works well. There are situations under which jobs may > > fail to run - such as disk failures. Then the next submission won't > > happen and you have to manually re-submit the job. A "cron" facility > > can be more robust. > > In reference to the robustness of the OpenVMS Batch Facility: > There are three aspects of the OpenVMS Batch Facility which I rarely > see being mentioned when this theme comes up. > > First, the OpenVMS Batch Facility will leverage OpenVMS Cluster > capability by performing job fail-over when the execution queues are > bundled as AUTOSTART queues. See...http://zinser.no-ip.info/HELP/INITIALIZE/_QUEUE/QUALIFIERS#AUTOSTART_ONhttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl > > We have had good experience with this capability in our customer's > mission-critical OpenVMS Computer Integrate Manufacturing systems in > several factories throughout Europe. > > Second, the OpenVMS Batch Facility supports Job Checkpoints and > resumption of processing at the point where a job was stopped. See...http://zinser.no-ip.info/HELP/SET/RESTART_VALUEhttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6489/6489pro_036.html#index_x_... > > Third the Batch Facility also supports cluster-wide Job > Synchronization...http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/6489/6489pro_046.html#114_sync... > > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg Hi Keith! One caveat with self-submitting jobs: If you are running in a VMScluster, there may be a subtle problem when you use /AFTER=TOMORROW resulting in multiple instances of the job. See the documentation or the on-system HELP for SUBMIT/AFTER for details. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: <34fc8ace-3d98-4162-95fc-60c133898baa@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 28, 8:26 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > Keith Cayemberg wrote innews:d6b625f4-6dfe-4b31-9e6f-85893797c4c1@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > On May 27, 6:42 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > >> marlow.and...@googlemail.com wrote in news:7f1ab094-5e0d-455a-88af- > >> 7b7172b2a...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > >> > I am talking to some ops people to find out how our internally used > >> > product can be improved. One area they have mentioned is that there > >> > is a job that is currently launched manually. As we know, easily > >> > automated tedious boring repeatative jobs that are done manually > > > >> This generally works well. There are situations under which jobs may > >> fail to run - such as disk failures. Then the next submission won't > >> happen and you have to manually re-submit the job. A "cron" facility > >> can be more robust. > > > In reference to the robustness of the OpenVMS Batch Facility: > > There are three aspects of the OpenVMS Batch Facility which I rarely > > see being mentioned when this theme comes up. > > I agree the VMS batch facility is quite robust. The problem I was > referring to involved situations where the drive containing the .COM > file for the batch job was on a disk that was not available at the time > the job was supposed to run. This has occurred for at least two reasons > 1. Disk actually had failed > 2. Cluster node serving the disk was not up (usually in cluster > re-boot.) > > So, if the time has come to execute the job, and the disk isn't there, > the job "runs" and fails. No repeated self-submission. Now you need to > manually re-submit the job. Hmm, actually I see this as a problem not of the Batch Facility but rather the system configuration or the way the Batch Facility is being used. If Host-Based Volume Shadowing is enabled for your cluster then placing your COM file on a shadow set, and using AUTOSTART execution queues should generally insure the COM is always available even if you are using self-submitting jobs. Another possibility without installing HBVS is placing your COM file on a local disk on every node in your cluster for which your queue is setup to fail over with AUTOSTART. The COM file is then submitted using a directory logical defined as a "Search List" which will look for the COM file in that list of directories until it finds the file. Such a directory logical would then also be used for defining the path for the job's logfile as well. The directory logical can be defined on each node independently or defined as a "Cluster Logical" Cluster Logicals are also quite useful for various fail-over schemes, especially when you are using a third party application which is not cluster-aware such as Sybase on OpenVMS. Other arrangements of periodic job submission are also possible and for manageability also advisable... - always submitting a encapsulation procedure instead of the COM file directly. Thus any changes to the COM file producing a new version number will not invalidate the job waiting in the queue. This encapsulation procedure could also be set up with error-checking to search for an available copy of the COM file thus making a search-list moot. - Instead of having each job submit itself. Run a master job each morning which checks which jobs listed in a file are to run that day, checks if the job is already submitted, and then submits them if needed. The identification of an already submitted job can be performed by looking for the job name in the expected queue(s) using lexicals. If a specific job runs multiple times a day, then have a slightly different job name (perhaps concatenating the hour?) for each run. This is more manageable than self submitted jobs. We use this method for our more busy applications. - If you are using self-submittting jobs, them have a monitor job which checks that the jobs are submitted that should be waiting to run that day. And those that have run can leave a status message in a file or in it's logfile which the monitor can evaluate, to verify that the jobs completed successfully. There are certainly many solutions to the problem of missing disks or nodes within the OpenVMS environment which can be fully exploited by the integrate Batch Facility. There is also a DQS Layered Product to extend Queue Services over multiple VMS Systems not bundled within the same cluster to form a true Distributed Queuing Service. http://docs.hp.com/en/12789/SPDDQS.pdf However, the above mentioned techniques may require too much effort for some shops with a massive job schedule which changes every month or week, or they may have a requirement for an integrated multi- platform batch management system. This is when one of the many OpenVMS compatible third-party solution would certainly be advisable. But even then, I would prefer a third-party solution that is carefully integrated with the OpenVMS Batch Facility to insure the greatest leverage of OpenVMS' special capabilities now and in the future. For those readers of this thread who are interested, here is my list of OpenVMS compatible third-party Job Schedulers... Absyss - Visual TOM http://www.absyss.com/produit-1.php Advanced Systems Concepts - ActiveBatch Enterprise http://www.advsyscon.com/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/asci/index.html Automation Technology Computing, Inc. (ATC) - Command File Scheduler http://www.atcsoftware.com/ Axway - Synchrony Automator - formerly XOS - Axway Open Schedule http://www.axway.com/products/synchrony_automator.php Badger Network Technologies Ltd - ActivityScheduler http://www.activityscheduler.co.uk/ Batch Process Technologies, Inc. - BATCHES http://www.bptech.com/batches1.htm BMC Software - CONTROL-M for Distributed Systems http://www.bmc.com/products/proddocview/0,2832,19052_19429_23437_1521,00.html CA Job Management for OpenVMS http://www.ca.com/us/products/product.aspx?id=1485 CRON PCSI Kit - Rohwedder OpenVMS Downloads http://www.the-rohwedders.de/downloads/index.html ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev80/cron/ http://www.djesys.com/vms/mentor/cron.html Cybermation - is now a part of the CA Workload Automation http://www.ca.com/us/content/campaign.aspx?cid=159142 http://www.ca.com/us/workload-automation.aspx http://web.archive.org/web/20051130084414/http://www.cybermation.com/products/jobscheduling/ http://web.archive.org/web/20050412164332/http://www.cybermation.com/products/jobscheduling/agents/ JSS - Job Scheduling System http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.5179cc2b5bf6406ac6713f8da973a801/?productId=7175 http://www.icam.com/ ISE Inc. - EnterpriseSCHEDULE http://www.i-s-e.com/Products/EnterpriseSCHEDULE/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/ise/index.html http://www.i-s-e.com/docs/schedule/enterpriseschedule_brochure.pdf Itheon Ltd - TWS OpenVMS Extended Agent - Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/20050309033607/http://www.itheon.com/products/product_index.htm#tws JOB_DAEMON - Watch disks for files to trigger batch jobs http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?JOB_DAEMON Kronos Scheduler - OpenVMS Freeware CD v4 ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev40/kronos/ MVP Systems, Inc. - JAMS for OpenVMS http://www.mvpsi.com/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/mvpsi/index.html ORSYP S.A. - Dollar Universe - cross platform job scheduler batch processing management http://www.orsyp.com/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/orsyp/index.html Redwood - Cronacle http://www.redwood.com/products/cronacle/ Software and Management Associates (SMA) - OpCon/Xps http://www.smausa.com/ Software Partners/32, Inc. - JOBSYS http://www.sp32.com/service/jobsys/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/software/index.html UC4 Applications Manager - formerly AppWorx Enterprise Scheduler http://www.uc4.com/en/uc4-suite/ http://www.uc4.com/en/uc4-info/appworx-is-now-uc4/ UC4 Operations Manager - formerly UC4:global (UC4 formerly named SBB Software) http://www.uc4.com/en/uc4-suite/ Voyager Software - NBS - Network Batch System http://www.vgersoft.com/nbs/index.html XuiS Software Ltd. - EnterpriseSCHEDULE http://www.xuis.com/products/schedule/ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/xuis/index.html Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:48:28 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008, David J Dachtera wrote: > A useful trick is to get he job's /AFTER time using F$GETJPI() for (probably F$GETQUI?) -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: cron facility wanted for VMS Message-ID: On May 29, 11:18 am, Keith Cayemberg wrote: > On May 28, 8:26 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > > > > > Keith Cayemberg wrote innews:d6b625f4-6dfe-4b31-9e6f-85893797c4c1@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > > On May 27, 6:42 pm, Alfred Falk wrote: > > >> marlow.and...@googlemail.com wrote in news:7f1ab094-5e0d-455a-88af- > > >> 7b7172b2a...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > > > >> > I am talking to some ops people to find out how our internally used > > >> > product can be improved. One area they have mentioned is that there > > >> > is a job that is currently launched manually. As we know, easily > > >> > automated tedious boring repeatative jobs that are done manually > > > > > >> This generally works well. There are situations under which jobs may > > >> fail to run - such as disk failures. Then the next submission won't > > >> happen and you have to manually re-submit the job. A "cron" facility > > >> can be more robust. > > > > In reference to the robustness of the OpenVMS Batch Facility: > > > There are three aspects of the OpenVMS Batch Facility which I rarely > > > see being mentioned when this theme comes up. > > > I agree the VMS batch facility is quite robust. The problem I was > > referring to involved situations where the drive containing the .COM > > file for the batch job was on a disk that was not available at the time > > the job was supposed to run. This has occurred for at least two reasons > > 1. Disk actually had failed > > 2. Cluster node serving the disk was not up (usually in cluster > > re-boot.) > > > So, if the time has come to execute the job, and the disk isn't there, > > the job "runs" and fails. No repeated self-submission. Now you need to > > manually re-submit the job. > > Hmm, actually I see this as a problem not of the Batch Facility but > rather the system configuration or the way the Batch Facility is being > used. If Host-Based Volume Shadowing is enabled for your cluster then > placing your COM file on a shadow set, and using AUTOSTART execution > queues should generally insure the COM is always available even if you > are using self-submitting jobs. Another possibility without installing > HBVS is placing your COM file on a local disk on every node in your > cluster for which your queue is setup to fail over with AUTOSTART. The > COM file is then submitted using a directory logical defined as a > "Search List" which will look for the COM file in that list of > directories until it finds the file. Such a directory logical would > then also be used for defining the path for the job's logfile as well. > The directory logical can be defined on each node independently or > defined as a "Cluster Logical" Cluster Logicals are also quite useful > for various fail-over schemes, especially when you are using a third > party application which is not cluster-aware such as Sybase on > OpenVMS. But won't the logical be translated when the job is submitted? I don't have any VMS clusters, and I'm running VMS V6.2, and I get the following: $ DEFINE COM_PATH DSA1:[FELDMAN],DSA0:[FELDMAN] $ SUBMIT/HOLD/NOPRINT COM_PATH:SQ Job SQ (queue IDS07$QUE, entry 757) holding $ SHOW ENTRY/FULL 757 Entry Jobname Username Blocks Status ----- ------- -------- ------ ------ 757 SQ SYSTEM Holding On available batch queue IDS07$QUE Submitted 29-MAY-2008 13:15:44.26 /KEEP /LOG=DSA0:[SYS0.] [SYSMGR]SQ.LOG; /NOPRINT /PRIORITY=100 File: _DSA1:[FELDMAN]SQ.COM;3 $ The logical name is translated before the job runs. Is there some reason it would be different in a cluster? I can see this working if the disk dies before you submit. I can also see this working if you have a DISPATCHER batch job submitting jobs without the /HOLD or / AFTER qualifiers, but not if you use the self-submitting method. But if the disk dies between the time of submission and the time of execution, I'd think it would fail. Of course if a disk dies (assuming no shadowing is in effect), you've probably got bigger problems. And what if the disk dies when the job is already running? You can't blame QUEUE_MANAGER for that! [...] > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: marlow.andrew@googlemail.com Subject: Re: How to spot an orphan in VMS Message-ID: On 28 May, 01:36, David J Dachtera wrote: > marlow.and...@googlemail.com wrote: > This differs from UN*X where the INIT process is the parent of all > others. So, by that definition, EVERY parent process on VMS is an > "orphan". > > Key factors you may be interested in, however, might be whether or not > the process is connected to some kind of controlling terminal. See the > output of SHOW USERS/INTERACTIVE/FULL and note any processes where > "DISCONNECTED" displays in the column where the terminal device name > would otherwise be displayed. > Sorry - I know this doesn't help much. You'll need to become accustomed > to a whole new paraidgm. Actually this does help a great deal thanks. This explains it in terms I can understand! I am going to have to discuss a DCL script with a VMS person, if I can track one down. It looks like it will have to be particular to our env because as you say, there may be some processes intentionally disconnected. -Andrew Marlow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: marlow.andrew@googlemail.com Subject: Re: How to spot an orphan in VMS Message-ID: On 28 May, 15:21, jj wrote: > If you know the file name of the file that is locked and where it is > located. A simple $show dev/files devicename: will show the process > that has the fiel locked. You can then do a $stop/id=Processname to > release it. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:04:26 +0200 From: "Jack" Subject: Monitor Cluster Message-ID: When I run the utility "Monitor Cluster" in one of my 40 nodes cluster, I see that nodes apear on more than one line in most of the diaplay, i.e. on "memory use". I mean the same node utilizes -80% and in another line it says -75%. What is that supose to say? Regards Jack ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:19:29 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Monitor Cluster Message-ID: In article , "Jack" writes: > > What is that supose to say? "Buy more memory." 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:08:41 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: msl50xx documentation? Message-ID: <483e6491$0$23831$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Jim Mehlhop wrote: > I picked up a used msl5060 the other day and need manuals. I have not > been able to find any online at this time. Anyone have a good pointer > or a machine readable copy I can get? > > Jim How about this one: http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01125957/c01125957.pdf Kari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:12:35 -0600 From: Jim Mehlhop Subject: Re: msl50xx documentation? Message-ID: <483EE403.9080100@qwest.net> Kari Uusimäki wrote: > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > >> I picked up a used msl5060 the other day and need manuals. I have not >> been able to find any online at this time. Anyone have a good pointer >> or a machine readable copy I can get? >> >> Jim > > > How about this one: > > http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01125957/c01125957.pdf > > > > Kari > Thanks That worked!! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "janprunk@gmail.com" Subject: Price quote for Q-bus cards from Microvax 4000/200 Message-ID: Hello ! Someone suggested to me that I should try this discussion group to get a price quote for my Q-bus cards from the Microvax 4000/200. I have a fully functional server, and would consider reselling it in whole or just parts of it for a good price. Tell me what you need and how much you are willing to spend and I will dissamble the server and look for part numbers. I got a good profile at Ebay and we could end the sale there. The parts will be sent from Europe. You can also contact me directly to my email address. Kind regards, Jan Prunk ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:04:47 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > OTOH, It likely would have been masked by Java anyway, which is an > interpreted > language. They may have been looking at it from a more general perspective > > Java is not the bees knees. > No, but it does have many uses and it runs a hell of a lot faster than I thought it would on my very old Alpha. I've got some Java code that does no floating point and runs on every platform except my VAXen. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 09:07:29 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: In article <483dcccd$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> If you think it's worthwhile, go ahead and port the JRE to VAX and >> write emulator code for the floating point operations. > > It would not make sense as a commercial activity. If I had the time to blow away on it, I'd start with something no-quite Java that did everything except I/O in VAX floating point (extreemly close to IEEE anyhow). Then I'd add IEEE emulation and an API to choose between them. Possibly a run-time qualifier for the JRE to make the choice for programs that don't use the API. All of which is rhetorical only. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:55 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything here ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:05:49 +0100 From: "David Biddulph" Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <483eb42e$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> "R.A.Omond" wrote in message news:g1mcc0$bg0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > here ... Acording to WHOIS, the domain registration expired on 19-May-2008 -- David Biddulph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:23:19 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: David Biddulph wrote: > "R.A.Omond" wrote in message > news:g1mcc0$bg0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk... >> Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good >> few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything >> here ... > > According to WHOIS, the domain registration expired on 19-May-2008 Not according to (may wrap): http://pir.org/index.php?mode=whois&db=content%2FWebsite&tbl=Registrants&id=3&whois_query_field=decuserve&Submit=Search Domain ID: D6610846-LROR Domain Name: DECUSERVE.ORG Created On: 19-May-1999 06: 46: 25 UTC Last Updated On: 25-May-2008 07: 13: 39 UTC Expiration Date: 19-May-2009 06: 47: 01 UTC <-------- 2009 Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR) Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status: AUTORENEWPERIOD Registrant ID: DOMAIN-RESALE Registrant Name: Pending Renewal or Deletion Registrant Street1: P.O. Box 430 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City: Herndon Registrant State/Province: VA Registrant Postal Code: 20172 Registrant Country: US I *think* they're having some sort of network problems at Eisner: BlueBubble: telnet decuserve.org Trying ... 209.62.72.173 Session 01, host decuserve.org, port 23 Escape character is ^] Internet interface error Connect to network object timed-out or failed BlueBubble: telnet decuserve.org Trying ... 209.62.72.173 Trying ... ::6000:0:3b:7777 Failed to connect to remote host Network protocol error ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <41773616-803d-4829-96e8-1a40ca52820a@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 10:05=A0am, "David Biddulph" wrote: > "R.A.Omond" wrote in message I had DNS like trouble with Eisner last Friday from the bootcamp. Worked fine earlier that week. Works fine from home. I use eisner.decus.org as name ( 192.135.80.34 ) There are 15 folks (the usual suspects :-) connected now, most (all?) using ssh. No current complaints/warnings in the DECUSERVE_FORUM notesfile Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <45ae887c-269f-4aa4-be08-452ff3f52edf@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 9:30 am, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On May 29, 10:05 am, "David Biddulph" > wrote: > > > "R.A.Omond" wrote in message > > I had DNS like trouble with Eisner last Friday from the bootcamp. > Worked fine earlier that week. Works fine from home. > I use eisner.decus.org as name ( 192.135.80.34 ) > There are 15 folks (the usual suspects :-) connected now, most (all?) > using ssh. > No current complaints/warnings in the DECUSERVE_FORUM notesfile > > Hein. Network Solutions says the domain is expired and awaiting renewal or deletion. Someone from Encompass needs to deal with it ASAP; right now the domain is pointing to a Network Solutions 'links' page with the warnings on it. "decuserve.org expired on 05/19/2008 and is pending renewal or deletion." "Renew this Domain If you are the current registrant for this domain name and wish to continue the registration on the domain, you must immediately contact the domain name provider and renew the domain name to ensure the name is not deleted. " If they don't do it asap it will probably be a porn site in a few days. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <0abb4998-9bef-40a8-80bd-f779d8035cbe@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 9:50 am, "R.A.Omond" wrote: > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > here ... Hein, et al., Perhaps the "problem" is that the DNS entries are cached. I am off- site at this instant, but WADR I suggest that somebody contact the "usual suspects" who manage the system (and possibly somebody at the HQ of the organization formerly known as Encompass) to report the problem. It would not surprise me if the email address that receives the warnings is out-of-date. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <06f80c6e-d560-4bd8-b661-78a5b321749e@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 10:04 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: > On May 29, 9:50 am, "R.A.Omond" wrote: > > > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > > here ... > > Hein, et al., > > Perhaps the "problem" is that the DNS entries are cached. I am off- > site at this instant, but WADR I suggest that somebody contact the > "usual suspects" who manage the system (and possibly somebody at the > HQ of the organization formerly known as Encompass) to report the > problem. It would not surprise me if the email address that receives > the warnings is out-of-date. > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com I sent a note to two of the contacts at encompassus; one (Barbara O'Connor) already bounced back an out of office; hopefully the other one (Katie Huffman) is there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <4fa63589-a4dd-4a82-bca4-ef09fd6b27aa@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 10:22 am, Rich Jordan wrote: > On May 29, 10:04 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: > > > > > On May 29, 9:50 am, "R.A.Omond" wrote: > > > > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > > > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > > > here ... > > > Hein, et al., > > > Perhaps the "problem" is that the DNS entries are cached. I am off- > > site at this instant, but WADR I suggest that somebody contact the > > "usual suspects" who manage the system (and possibly somebody at the > > HQ of the organization formerly known as Encompass) to report the > > problem. It would not surprise me if the email address that receives > > the warnings is out-of-date. > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com > > I sent a note to two of the contacts at encompassus; one (Barbara > O'Connor) already bounced back an out of office; hopefully the other > one (Katie Huffman) is there. Katie Huffman acknowledged my message and says they'll look into the problem. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <358856b1-a60c-4090-a6e4-c07bf3293d14@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 10:48=A0am, Rich Jordan wrote: > Network Solutions says the domain is expired and awaiting renewal or > deletion. =A0Someone from Encompass needs to deal with it ASAP; right > now the domain is pointing to a Network Solutions 'links' page with > the warnings on it. I called Steve Arnold, and he indicated he'd take care of if before today. Thanks for the heads up! btw... I post (and read) through groups.google.com Looks like they started with humanoid validation on entry using the morphed characters passwords. I guess that's a good thing. Too bad it is needed. Too many idiots out there huh? Hein. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 11:32:32 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: In article , "R.A.Omond" writes: > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > here ... I'm doing this on Eisner, and haven't had any problems for quite a while. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 11:33:36 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: In article <45ae887c-269f-4aa4-be08-452ff3f52edf@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: > > "decuserve.org expired on 05/19/2008 and is pending renewal or > deletion." > "Renew this Domain That's pretty old. Try encompasserve.org, I'm using that now. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 15:35:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <483ecd5c$0$11622$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <41773616-803d-4829-96e8-1a40ca52820a@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: >On May 29, 10:05=A0am, "David Biddulph" >wrote: >> "R.A.Omond" wrote in message > >I had DNS like trouble with Eisner last Friday from the bootcamp. >Worked fine earlier that week. Works fine from home. >I use eisner.decus.org as name ( 192.135.80.34 ) >There are 15 folks (the usual suspects :-) connected now, most (all?) >using ssh. ...and one unusual suspect! :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <09f51494-fce8-4bcd-af39-a9ebc4ddde8f@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 29, 11:32=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , "R.A.Omond" writes: > > Haven't been able to access Eisner for a good > > few days now, and I've seen no mention of anything > > here ... > > =A0 =A0 I'm doing this on Eisner, and haven't had any problems for quite a= > =A0 =A0while. I telnet to eisner almost everyday. Today too. No problems here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: What's up with decuserve.org these past few days ? Message-ID: <2ac7653f-2041-47b2-923d-99bfa068b377@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> I use eisner.encompasserve.org - its working fine ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 2008 19:24:15 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: [VMS] Modifying the batchjob restart value? Message-ID: <483f02df$1@news.langstoeger.at> You might have seen SUBMIT/RESTART and SET RESTART_VALUE and also the SET ENTRY/NOCHECKPOINT DCL commands for restartable batchjobs in VMS. What I like/need to have is a SET RESTART_VALUE="value"/ENTRY=entrynum or a SET ENTRY/RESVALUE="value" entrynum (or /VALUE or /RVALUE) or any other (unsupported/freeware) method to modify a retained on error batchjob (and rerelease it then). I recently had a batchjob with 57 checkpoints in it, and action/checkpoint number 6 was bad (syntax error) and I wanted the job to jump over and continue. But alas, I had to delete the job, modify the orginal source (to fix the syntax error) and make a temporary source (without the first 5 actions/checkpoints) and submit a batchjob for it (and delete the temp source at last). And this I'd like to avoid in the future. Any idea/hope? Many TIA -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.299 ************************