INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Feb 2008	Volume 2008 : Issue 86

   Contents:
Re: DECUS (er, sorry Encompass) renewal, whats the deal on cost?
Re: DECUS (er, sorry Encompass) renewal, whats the deal on cost?
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Iffy DCL IF
Re: Non-DEC NICs in Alphaserver 2000
Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Re: OT: Hack contest
Re: OT: Hack contest
Re: OT: Hack contest
Re: OT: Hack contest
Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Re: TU58 cartridges
Re: TU58 cartridges
Re: TU58 cartridges
Unusual mailbox status value
Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving)
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA
Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA
Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 03:08:26 -0600
From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius)
Subject: Re: DECUS (er, sorry Encompass) renewal, whats the deal on cost?
Message-ID: <01KEUzftHCVy@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <126be512-d6d2-416a-854d-0a27f9872962@l16g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:
> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Galen <gltack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm located in the USA. I just renewed my account on ENCOMPASSERVE and
>> no price at all was mentioned.
>>
>> Are you sure you were renewing your ENCOMPASSERVE login and not your
>> ENCOMPASS membership? Maybe they aren't the same thing?
> 
> Galen,
>      I was going to renew my paying membership to Encompass; that
> would also have re-instated my Encompasserve login.  There is also a
> 'free' membership level, but you have to renew just the same or your
> Encompasserve account gets turned off.

Encompasserve has always been renewed for me just by my typing $ RENEW
at the VMS prompt.

[Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that]

I do send a contribution, but only in recent years, and it has never
been tied to membership renewal.

--
George Cornelius              cornelius ( A T ) eisner.decus.org
                              cornelius ( A T ) mayo.edu

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:09:05 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: DECUS (er, sorry Encompass) renewal, whats the deal on cost?
Message-ID: <EuFE2CgQkukr@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <01KEUzftHCVy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes:
> 
> I do send a contribution, but only in recent years, and it has never
> been tied to membership renewal.

   I got a free membership in DECUS way back in the 80's.  I made it
   into a free associate member in Encompass after the transition.

   I've never "renewed" it, and it's still good for Encompasserve,
   hobbyist licences, and such.

   I have considered buying the hobbyist distribution CD, but I don't
   see as much software and the versions, as I want, so I grub elsewhere
   as allowed by my hobbyist license.

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:25:38 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <qbkGA1lSEWOn@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <61b6guF1tdl1qU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> In article <d37051ee-2f93-4700-ab10-1111ad8e0df6@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> 	FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:
>> On Feb 10, 6:34 pm, Tad Winters
>> <stafford.no.spam.winte...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I await your wisdom.
>> 
>> You can try VESTing the DIBOL compiler to Alpha, then AEST it to
>> Integrity.  
> 
> I have a question regarding this scheme that just occured to me.
> If you have old applications that originated on a VAX and have
> been VESTed to Alpha (and then, perhaps, AESTed to Itanium) does
> this not leave you stuck keeping, maintaining and paying licensing
> for a VAX as well in the event problems occur with the program or
> some form of upgrade needs to be made to the application?

   You have to maintain a VAX to run the compiler.  Charon-VAX or simh
   would do, so you don't have to maintain VAX hardware.

   Maintaing VAX hardware isn't all that difficult when you can buy
   replacements cheap.

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:28:25 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <TU7YC+r5kX91@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <47B08229.50900@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:

> Unusual but by no means impossible.  You can buy "anti-static" carpet 
> for such purposes.  You can even buy raised floor panels with carpet 
> topping.  I don't recall ever having seen such panels or a carpeted 
> computer room but at least one company tried to sell me such a thing.
> I don't even want to think about keeping a carpeted computer room clean!

   We had a carpeted raised floor in one computer room.  It kept the
   noise from the 11/70 and 11/785 down.  Their updraft cooling
   kept the carpet clean.  We still have computer filter problems in
   that room, long after the 11/70 and 11/785 have been removed.

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:32:04 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <AUGnMUoGZjiZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <Xns9A4173009400Bstaffordnospamwinter@199.45.49.11>, Tad Winters <stafford.no.spam.winters2@verizon.net> writes:
> 
> VESTing the compiler itself?  Wouldn't it still create a VAX object file?
> 

   Yes, it would still create a VAX object file.  And the command entry
   in DCLTABLES won't VEST, IIRC, so you'ld have to extract it (try
   getting the VERB utility), and enter it into the Alpha by hand.

   The LINKER on Alpha will operate as a cross linker, but you'll have
   to drag all the VAX object and image libraries over to where they
   can be picked up while cross linking on the Alpha.

   Then the resulting VAX image would have to be VESTed.

   All a bit of a pain compared to running Charon-VAX or simh.

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:12:25 -0800 (PST)
From: ultradwc@gmail.com
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <d719120b-e6a1-4c76-8fdc-b71d1e868554@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 10, 10:47=A0pm, Tad Winters
<stafford.no.spam.winte...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Tad Winters <stafford.no.spam.winte...@verizon.net> wrote innews:Xns9A409E=
8123299staffordnospamwinter@199.45.49.11:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Let me start by saying, this is _not_ meant to start a war over
> > programming languages. =A0I'm after honest, technical answers.
>
> > I've done some work for a small company who happens to use some
> > custom software, written largely in DIBOL, with the rest in MACRO.
> > The custom forms editor generates additional MACRO code and DIBOL
> > "include" files.
>
> > They've been using a single VAX system with an HSD30 for storage.
> > The system runs rather slowly at times and this both frustrates the
> > users and probably causes some customers to consider other
> > suppliers. =A0The system has been tuned many times, without any
> > appreciable improvement.
>
> > I would like to propose they move to an AlphaServer, however since
> > DIBOL is not available for Alpha, the standard answer would be
> > Synergy DBL. =A0Since Synergy charges for a runtime license, this is a
> > show stopper. =A0They would be looking at more than $20,000 for
> > Synergy DBL alone.
>
> > I did mention that CHARON-VAX might be a possibility, but I'm not a
> > huge fan of subjecting a stable operating system to running atop
> > something much less stable. =A0(Too bad CHARON-VAX is not an emulator
> > running on bare metal.)
>
> > Now to the meat of my question. =A0If a person was interested in
> > moving code from DIBOL to another language (on OpenVMS), what
> > language would be the best choice? =A0Keep these details in mind:
> > A runtime license cost isn't going to fly.
> > The language will need to support RMS file types (since indexed,
> > relative and sequential files are used.)
> > Calls to subroutines written in MACRO will need to work like they
> > would with DIBOL.
> > The language would need to support "include" files.
>
> > Somebody will probably ask how many lines of code there are to
> > convert. =A0I'm going to guess between 300,000 and 350,000, but don't
> > hold me to it.
>
> > The routines directly written in MACRO have previously been ported
> > to the Alpha processor, so as to MACRO, I'd only need to be sure I
> > continued to generate correct code.
>
> > A certain number of the DIBOL programs comprise the forms editor and
> > support applications, which I would port first. =A0I'd like to start
> > down the correct road first. =A0The languages which I first thought
> > would meet the requirements are FORTRAN, BASIC, Pascal, and COBOL.
> > This doesn't strictly rule out others, and it would seem prudent to
> > choose a language which is also supported on Itanium.
>
> > I await your wisdom.
>
> Perhaps I should mention that this is VMS V7.1. =A0There are up to 150
> concurrent users. =A0The worst time is usually between 8 and 10 in the
> morning, when many reports are being run in batch in addition to
> interactive use. =A0There are 120 detached processes performing (or waitin=
g
> to perform) specific application functions. =A0The system is also running
> MultiNet V4.4. =A0I'd love to get this all upgraded, but there's no way
> that would fly without guaranteed significant performance improvement.
> If upgrading is the way to go, then it seems like it would be best to
> make as much a jump as possible.
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you have two inexpensive options ...

1. we ran DIBOL on a vaxstation 4000-90 and 4000-96 for years
   on vms 6.2 and it ran very well for allour accounting apps ...
   So go out on the second hand market or even Ebay and BUY
   a vaxstation 4000-9x ...

2. Buy s DS10L from island computer and put 7.1-2 vms on it
    and VEST from the vax (which for development purposes can
    be replaced with a vaxstation VLC for CHEAP) to the alpha
    vms 7.1 ds10l box (which is also cheap) ... like I said I know
    of several DIBOL shops in the past that succesfully used vest
    to take dibol apps from 7.1 vax to 7.1 alpha ...

Either solution above would NOT cost $20,000 ... if would probably
cost more like $2,000 ...

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:29:05 GMT
From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <61dsa0F1ufl3dU2@mid.individual.net>

In article <qbkGA1lSEWOn@eisner.encompasserve.org>,
	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
> In article <61b6guF1tdl1qU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>> In article <d37051ee-2f93-4700-ab10-1111ad8e0df6@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> 	FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:
>>> On Feb 10, 6:34 pm, Tad Winters
>>> <stafford.no.spam.winte...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> I await your wisdom.
>>> 
>>> You can try VESTing the DIBOL compiler to Alpha, then AEST it to
>>> Integrity.  
>> 
>> I have a question regarding this scheme that just occured to me.
>> If you have old applications that originated on a VAX and have
>> been VESTed to Alpha (and then, perhaps, AESTed to Itanium) does
>> this not leave you stuck keeping, maintaining and paying licensing
>> for a VAX as well in the event problems occur with the program or
>> some form of upgrade needs to be made to the application?
> 
>    You have to maintain a VAX to run the compiler.  Charon-VAX or simh
>    would do, so you don't have to maintain VAX hardware.
> 
>    Maintaing VAX hardware isn't all that difficult when you can buy
>    replacements cheap.

I was thinking more along the lines of cost as this is a real business
application.  You have to factor in the cost of the hardware (or the
emulator) and licenses for yet another system just to keep that old
DIBOL application running.  

bill
 

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:33:00 GMT
From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: DIBOL to <different language>
Message-ID: <61dshcF1ufl3dU3@mid.individual.net>

In article <47b0da9d$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> In article <cbe43c7c-e1b3-49b0-8941-c57e1e77f7f8@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>> 	Hein RMS van den Heuvel <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Pascal... Clean language, but how many programmers are available out
>>> there?
>> 
>> At least one.
> 
> Pascal was a very widely used language for learning
> programming in the golden VAX days. I think a lot
> of VMS people will know Pascal. It may be a bit rusty
> for some, but some say that it is like driving a bicycle.

Actually, I learned Pascal while in a production environment in order
to write serious applications for an LSI-11/02 based micro.  It was
many years after that before I first saw it in use in academia.

Oh yeah, I became so enthraled with Pascal that even now I spend a
good deal of time examining and playing with Pascal Compilers and
systems.

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:47:11 -0500
From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <47b19577$0$15195$607ed4bc@cv.net>

norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:
> 
> Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote on 02/11/2008 04:40:30 PM:
> 
>  > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Graham Burley wrote:
>  >
>  > > $!TEST.COM
>  > > $ if "''p1'" .eqs. ""
>  > >  .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
>  > > $ then write sys$output "true"
>  > > $ endif
>  > > $ exit
>  > >
>  > > $ @test
>  > > true
>  > >
>  > > Er, ok, I forgot the continuation "-" at the end of line 2, but why
>  > > no error for line 3?
>  >
>  > > It seems that DCL silently eats lines following an IF until it finds
>  > > a line with a leading $.
>  >
>  > Not at all.  The line without the $ is a data line to the IF
>  > statement.  The fact that IF does not read its data lines is
>  > irrelevant.  You could have previously
>  >
>  >    $ IF == "TYPE SYS$INPUT !"
>  >
>  > or something else equally bizarre.  Should DCL do what you say, or
>  > what it thinks you might mean?
>  >
> 
> I fail to understand what you're saying here.
> 
> In your case:
> 
> @test.com
> $!TEST.COM
> $ IF == "TYPE SYS$INPUT !"
> $ if "" .eqs. ""
> .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
> .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
> $ then write sys$output "true"
> %DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data 
> inconsistency
> $
> Things get worse, not better.
> 
> Data s/b set off with $DECK/$EOD pairs if it does not want to be parsed.
> 
> Also DCL_CHECK says you really shouldn't try that with "IF".
> 
> $ @dcl_check test.com
> 
> -*- Charlie Hammond's unsupported DCL checker (Version V3.4) -*-
> Checking file TEST.COM;2
> 11-FEB-2008 17:02:48.71
> 
> Checking for DCL_CHECK$ logicals...
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_BL" = "TRUE"
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_CCN" = "TRUE"
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_CLD" = "TRUE"
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_LFF" = "TRUE"
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_LND" = "TRUE"
>   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_LOD" = "TRUE"
> 
> Starting Pass 1 -- 11-FEB-2008 17:02:49.08 ...
> Starting Pass 2 -- 11-FEB-2008 17:02:49.40 ...
> Starting Pass 3 -- 11-FEB-2008 17:02:49.45 ...
> 
> Procedure contains:      7 total lines
>                          6 code lines (including 0 lines (0%) w/ comments)
>                          0 additional continuation lines
>                          0 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs
>                          1 comment only lines (16% of code lines)
>                          0 blank lines
>                          3 diagnostics
> 
>  LINE  CODE  --DIAGNOSTIC MESSAGE--
> 
>     2  EFB-S  "=" found between IF and THEN
>     2  INT-S  IF statement not terminated
>     3  TRH-S  THEN statement required here
> 
> -*- END OF LISTING -*-   11-FEB-2008 17:02:49.94
> 
> I still cannot see an argument for leaving this broken, but that's not
> the point.  The point is to let OpenVMS support make the call before
> we debate all possible responses.
> 
> $
>  > > is this a well known feature or a long standing bug?
>  >
>  > It's a feature.  The bug is in your code.
> 
> Well, diagnostics are supposed to help locate bugs...and we all know
> that one man's bug is another man's feature.
> [No sexism intended.]
> 
>  >
>  > IMO
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  >
>  > Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m
>  > G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)
>  > Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)
>  >                                   http://gmcl.com/
>  >

The message resulted fro having a "THEN" without an "IF"
because the "IF" was a symbol and not a real DCL "IF"

Of course you shouldn't try it with "IF". It will break
any dcl scripts you will be running while the "IF" symbol
is defined. unless you delete the symbol or maybe do a
DELETE/SYMBOL/ALL...

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:27:26 -0800 (PST)
From: AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <b98b4335-a767-4688-84e6-cf325a4a1c97@c23g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 11, 10:44 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> wrote on 02/11/2008 08:56:44 AM:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 9:37 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> > > AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> wrote on 02/10/2008 10:28:36 PM:
>
> > > > On Feb 10, 3:12 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> > > > > Graham,
>
> > > > > This surely looks like a reportable bug (although fixing it might
> be
> > > > > perilous to DCL).
>
> > > > Why might it be perilous to DCL?
>
> > > They might conclude that fixing it would introduce too much risk of
> > > introducing new errors.
>
> > "They might" means nothing. There's always "there might", in which
> > case you've said nothing.
>
> > > Especially so because the error Graham found is the result of a clear
> DCL
> > > syntax error.
>
> You're right, of course.  There is no need to be negative or second-guess.

I meant to be more firm than negative. I'm always reading here about
things like this that they can't fix because it might break something
and I just wanted to find out why.

> I agree with you and the speculation is beside the point.

Speculation on whose part?

> I did say Graham should report it.  I am not on the latest version so it
> is
> problematic for me to report it.  One should get a response before
> criticizing
> it.

Response from whom? HP? I'm not holding my breath.

>
> > So? That should make it easy to fix, no?
>
> Can't know.  I certainly cannot see why anyone would want this behavior.

Agreed. Looks like a bug to me.
[...]
AEF

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:34:23 -0800 (PST)
From: AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <26d0968f-7da1-40ff-b1c1-1e6baa4532f6@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 11, 5:40 pm, Rob Brown <mylastn...@gmcl.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Graham Burley wrote:
> > $!TEST.COM
> > $ if "''p1'" .eqs. ""
> >  .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
> > $ then write sys$output "true"
> > $ endif
> > $ exit
>
> > $ @test
> > true
>
> > Er, ok, I forgot the continuation "-" at the end of line 2, but why
> > no error for line 3?
> > It seems that DCL silently eats lines following an IF until it finds
> > a line with a leading $.
>
> Not at all.  The line without the $ is a data line to the IF
> statement.  The fact that IF does not read its data lines is
> irrelevant.  You could have previously
>
>    $ IF == "TYPE SYS$INPUT !"
>
> or something else equally bizarre.  Should DCL do what you say, or
> what it thinks you might mean?

I don't see how silently skipping data lines counts as DCL doing what
he says. If IF were defined to be TYPE SYS$INPUT, then we're running
the TYPE command, not the IF command. And then the TYPE command would
be reading the lines, no? By this logic, one could define any command
to be TYPE SYS$INPUT. Should data lines that follow a DIRECTORY
command be silently ignored? In this case you properly get

%DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored

I don't see why you shouldn't get that or some other error message
when it's IF instead of DIRECTORY.

The other problem, of course, is that the code is written in
lowercase! ;-)

AEF

>
> > is this a well known feature or a long standing bug?
>
> It's a feature.  The bug is in your code.

Seems to me the bug is in both.

>
> IMO
>
> --
>
> Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m
> G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)
> Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)
>                                  http://gmcl.com/

AEF

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:38:31 -0800 (PST)
From: AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <c6b620b1-8c24-499b-87d2-02ba95761dbb@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 12, 9:34 am, AEF <spamsink2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 5:40 pm, Rob Brown <mylastn...@gmcl.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Graham Burley wrote:
> > > $!TEST.COM
> > > $ if "''p1'" .eqs. ""
> > >  .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
> > > $ then write sys$output "true"
> > > $ endif
> > > $ exit
>
> > > $ @test
> > > true
>
> > > Er, ok, I forgot the continuation "-" at the end of line 2, but why
> > > no error for line 3?
> > > It seems that DCL silently eats lines following an IF until it finds
> > > a line with a leading $.
>
> > Not at all.  The line without the $ is a data line to the IF
> > statement.  The fact that IF does not read its data lines is
> > irrelevant.  You could have previously
>
> >    $ IF == "TYPE SYS$INPUT !"
>
> > or something else equally bizarre.  Should DCL do what you say, or
> > what it thinks you might mean?
>
> I don't see how silently skipping data lines counts as DCL doing what
> he says. If IF were defined to be TYPE SYS$INPUT, then we're running
> the TYPE command, not the IF command. And then the TYPE command would
> be reading the lines, no? By this logic, one could define any command
> to be TYPE SYS$INPUT. Should data lines that follow a DIRECTORY

Uh, I meant one could redefine IF to be any command. Sorry.

> command be silently ignored? In this case you properly get
>
> %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored
>
> I don't see why you shouldn't get that or some other error message
> when it's IF instead of DIRECTORY.
>
> The other problem, of course, is that the code is written in
> lowercase! ;-)
>
> AEF
>
>
>
> > > is this a well known feature or a long standing bug?
>
> > It's a feature.  The bug is in your code.
>
> Seems to me the bug is in both.
>
>
>
> > IMO
>
> > --
>
> > Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m
> > G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)
> > Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)
> >                                  http://gmcl.com/
>
> AEF

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:21:01 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <jBjs0rfJ08Bq@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <4819b3fb-0275-4933-af41-9b9419ea6a83@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Feb 10, 3:12 pm, normraph...@metso.com wrote:
>> Graham,
>>
>> This surely looks like a reportable bug (although fixing it might be
>> perilous to DCL).
> 
> Why might it be perilous to DCL?

   DCL on VAXen is implemented using a lot of VAX specific constructs.
   Emulating these on Alpha was a royal PITA, according to engineers
   who have spoke up.  It sounds like it has become a bit of spaghetti,
   and somewhat fragile.

   And I think VMS Engineering ought to freeze DCL where it is and
   implement a new VMS command language that maintains the English
   verbs, qualifier syntax, symbol and lexical processing, ..., that
   we all kow and love, but allows them to add loops, default to having
   pipes enables without a pipe command, and such in a clean manner.

   This would maintain 100% upward compatability and move the command
   language forward.

   But right now I think there is insufficient customer demand.

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:23:20 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <c8V1+X1XSI2M@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <alpine.LRH.1.00.0802111434200.7436@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:
> 
> It's a feature.  The bug is in your code.

   It's an undocumented behaviour that is inconsistent with how DCL
   reacts to unexpected data lines elsewhere.  That's not a feature.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:05:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Gullen <dave.gullen@gap.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Iffy DCL IF
Message-ID: <2506ce5a-de10-4d69-b8d4-d7d00323e315@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 10, 5:34 pm, burley+n...@encompasserve.org (Graham Burley)
wrote:
> $!TEST.COM
> $ if "''p1'" .eqs. ""
>   .and. "''p2'" .nes. ""
> $ then write sys$output "true"
> $ endif
> $ exit
>
> $ @test
> true
>
> Er, ok, I forgot the continuation "-" at the end of line 2, but why
> no error for line 3? It seems that DCL silently eats lines following
> an IF until it finds a line with a leading $. It's the same in all
> the VMS versions I've tried, is this a well known feature or a long
> standing bug?
>
> $!TEST1.COM
> $ if 1
> I want an error here!
> I should get an error here?
> $ then write sys$output "true"
> $ endif
> $ exit
>
> $ @test1
> true

Isn't this a feature of the two ways DCL handles IF/THEN?

When you have an IF <blah> THEN <blah> line, DCL treats the line as a
complete statement.

But when your first line is just IF <blah>, then DCL is going to look
for for a line beginning with $ THEN, and will keep going until it
reaches the ENDIF.

So because the IF line lacked a continuation line, and because the
next line didn't start with a THEN, it was ignored because DCL was
looking for a then, as my 'improved' version shows!

$!TEST.COM
$ if "''p1'" .eqs. ""
this
will
be
ignored
$ then write sys$output "true"
this
will
not
be
ignored
$ endif
$ exit

I'd expect VMS engineering would say this is expected behaviour but
agree it feels like a bug.

Dave

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:56:32 +0000
From: Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Non-DEC NICs in Alphaserver 2000
Message-ID: <2008021211563216807-gjparker@lboroacuk>

On 2008-02-08 04:11:30 +0000, Tad Winters 
<stafford.no.spam.winters2@verizon.net> said:

> I have some vague memories of an AlphaServer 2100 (or maybe it was an
> early AlphaServer 1000) where some of the PCI slots were bridged from the
> others and that some cards would not work in them. I suggest trying other
> PCI slots, including slots currently occupied by other cards.  Of course
> I have little confidence that an Adaptec card would work since it seems
> like their SCSI adapters didn't work for more than the first eight years
> of production in any of the systems I worked with.

Thankyou very much, everyone, for the assistance and offers of 
hardware. I've now got a pair of DE500s and the machines are working 
great.

Gary

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 11:29:27 GMT
From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG
Subject: Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Message-ID: <47b18316$0$7868$607ed4bc@cv.net>

In article <47b11893$0$22055$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>Ken Robinson wrote:
>
>> I believe he meant one of his kids -- at least that's how I
>> interpreted his post once I read the article.
>
>
>Ah ! I keep forgeting Mr VAXman has an alias name of Schenkenbergeh :-)
>(But shouldn't it be Schenkenberger ?????)

This is a news paper in the people's republic of New Jersey, JF.  Average
pro New Jerseyan's can bearly speak the mother tongue and, as such, Orwel-
lian spelling that comes close has become acceptable. ;)  Seriously, it's 
an unchecked typo.

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 14:51:45 GMT
From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG
Subject: Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Message-ID: <47b1b281$0$15205$607ed4bc@cv.net>

In article <47B1A482.5030104@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>VAXman- wrote:
>> In article <47b11893$0$22055$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>> 
>>>Ken Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I believe he meant one of his kids -- at least that's how I
>>>>interpreted his post once I read the article.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ah ! I keep forgeting Mr VAXman has an alias name of Schenkenbergeh :-)
>>>(But shouldn't it be Schenkenberger ?????)
>> 
>> 
>> This is a news paper in the people's republic of New Jersey, JF.  Average
>> pro New Jerseyan's can bearly speak the mother tongue and, as such, Orwel-
>> lian spelling that comes close has become acceptable. ;)  Seriously, it's 
>> an unchecked typo.
>> 
>
>Well, the Courier Post doesn't do too badly and the Inquirer is okay. 
>The really local papers can get pretty bad.
>
>The schools seem to have decided that they have other priorities than 
>the classic reading, writing, and arithmetic.  Looking back, I think 
>those three subjects are the core; anything else is useless frippery by 
>comparison!

I agree but a place for the three Rs the education system is narrowing.

I stopped at the pharmacy to pick up a prescription last week.  The girl
behind the counter was doing homework when I walked up.  I said, "I hate
to interrupt your studies but I have a prescription I to pick up."  She
said, "That's OK, it's only forensic science."  I looked at her and said
that I didn't realize that she was in college.  She said that she wasn't
and that it was a high school class.  I looked and said, "They're offer-
ing classes in forensic science but none in economics or civics?"  She
replied, "We have physics."  I confuted, "I said civics, not physics."
"Civics?", she replied with a puzzled look on her face, "I have no idea
what that is." :rolleyes:  I paid and walked out.

-- 
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
           
  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" 

http://tmesis.com/drat.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:10:22 -0500
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: one of my MicroVAX in the news...
Message-ID: <47B1B6DE.8060006@comcast.net>

VAXman- wrote:
> In article <47B1A482.5030104@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> 
>>VAXman- wrote:
>>
>>>In article <47b11893$0$22055$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ken Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I believe he meant one of his kids -- at least that's how I
>>>>>interpreted his post once I read the article.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ah ! I keep forgeting Mr VAXman has an alias name of Schenkenbergeh :-)
>>>>(But shouldn't it be Schenkenberger ?????)
>>>
>>>
>>>This is a news paper in the people's republic of New Jersey, JF.  Average
>>>pro New Jerseyan's can bearly speak the mother tongue and, as such, Orwel-
>>>lian spelling that comes close has become acceptable. ;)  Seriously, it's 
>>>an unchecked typo.
>>>
>>
>>Well, the Courier Post doesn't do too badly and the Inquirer is okay. 
>>The really local papers can get pretty bad.
>>
>>The schools seem to have decided that they have other priorities than 
>>the classic reading, writing, and arithmetic.  Looking back, I think 
>>those three subjects are the core; anything else is useless frippery by 
>>comparison!
> 
> 
> I agree but a place for the three Rs the education system is narrowing.
> 
> I stopped at the pharmacy to pick up a prescription last week.  The girl
> behind the counter was doing homework when I walked up.  I said, "I hate
> to interrupt your studies but I have a prescription I to pick up."  She
> said, "That's OK, it's only forensic science."  I looked at her and said
> that I didn't realize that she was in college.  She said that she wasn't
> and that it was a high school class.  I looked and said, "They're offer-
> ing classes in forensic science but none in economics or civics?"  She
> replied, "We have physics."  I confuted, "I said civics, not physics."
> "Civics?", she replied with a puzzled look on her face, "I have no idea
> what that is." :rolleyes:  I paid and walked out.
> 

Well, I created a huge flap at home, ca. third grade, by saying I didn't 
know what "social studies" was!  My parents were questioning my poor 
grade in the subject.  It turned out that it was the movies about 
garbage collecting and other such humble subjects that we were required 
to view from time to time.  Nobody had ever told me that it was called 
"social studies"!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:53:44 -0800
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company>
Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest
Message-ID: <op.t6e2buu4hv4qyg@murphus>

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:46:24 -0800, Bill Gunshannon <billg999@cs.uofs.ed=
u>  =

wrote:

> In article <op.t59ek6k4hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>,
> 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:15:54 -0800, Bill Gunshannon  =

>> <billg999@cs.uofs.ed=3D
>> u>  =3D
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> It is like golf these days, when Tiger is playing the field is  =3D=

>>
>>>> competing=3D3D
>>>>
>>>> for second place.
>>> Nice analogy, but a little off the mark.
>>> VMS isn't Tiger Woods, it's Arnold Palmer.
>>
>> Well I agree that it hasn't moved with the times like z/os
>
> Not sure if that was tongue-in-cheek, but it still missed the point.
> It's not that VMS is just old, it's also no longer in the game.
>
> bill
>
z/os is also old, used to be MVS, remember?  It unlike OpenVMS has been
updated and is very much in the game.  A new managment team might be abl=
e
to do the same for OpenVMS.  I certainly could.


-- =

PL/I for OpenVMS
www.kednos.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:12:36 -0500
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest
Message-ID: <47B1B764.2090601@comcast.net>

Tom Linden wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:46:24 -0800, Bill Gunshannon 
> <billg999@cs.uofs.edu>  wrote:
> 
>> In article <op.t59ek6k4hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>,
>>     "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:15:54 -0800, Bill Gunshannon  
>>> <billg999@cs.uofs.ed=
>>> u>  =
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It is like golf these days, when Tiger is playing the field is  =
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> competing=3D
>>>>>
>>>>> for second place.
>>>>
>>>> Nice analogy, but a little off the mark.
>>>> VMS isn't Tiger Woods, it's Arnold Palmer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well I agree that it hasn't moved with the times like z/os
>>
>>
>> Not sure if that was tongue-in-cheek, but it still missed the point.
>> It's not that VMS is just old, it's also no longer in the game.
>>
>> bill
>>
> z/os is also old, used to be MVS, remember?  It unlike OpenVMS has been
> updated and is very much in the game.  A new managment team might be able
> to do the same for OpenVMS.  I certainly could.
> 

A lot of people could.  The problem is not people who could. It's HP 
that doesn't give a shit!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:00:04 -0800
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company>
Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest
Message-ID: <op.t6e5eenahv4qyg@murphus>

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:12:36 -0800, Richard B. Gilbert  =

<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

> Tom Linden wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:46:24 -0800, Bill Gunshannon  =

>> <billg999@cs.uofs.edu>  wrote:
>>
>>> In article <op.t59ek6k4hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>,
>>>     "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:15:54 -0800, Bill Gunshannon   =

>>>> <billg999@cs.uofs.ed=3D
>>>> u>  =3D
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> It is like golf these days, when Tiger is playing the field is  =3D=

>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> competing=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for second place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice analogy, but a little off the mark.
>>>>> VMS isn't Tiger Woods, it's Arnold Palmer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I agree that it hasn't moved with the times like z/os
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure if that was tongue-in-cheek, but it still missed the point.=

>>> It's not that VMS is just old, it's also no longer in the game.
>>>
>>> bill
>>>
>> z/os is also old, used to be MVS, remember?  It unlike OpenVMS has be=
en
>> updated and is very much in the game.  A new managment team might be =
 =

>> able
>> to do the same for OpenVMS.  I certainly could.
>>
>
> A lot of people could.  The problem is not people who could. It's HP  =

> that doesn't give a shit!
>
No, it is the people.  HP is a business.  If noone in the VMS organizati=
on
is capable of presenting a compelling business case, why should Fink and=
  =

his
bosses do anything?



-- =

PL/I for OpenVMS
www.kednos.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:19:48 -0500
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest
Message-ID: <47B1C724.1030304@comcast.net>

Tom Linden wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:12:36 -0800, Richard B. Gilbert  
> <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tom Linden wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:46:24 -0800, Bill Gunshannon  
>>> <billg999@cs.uofs.edu>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <op.t59ek6k4hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>,
>>>>     "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:15:54 -0800, Bill Gunshannon   
>>>>> <billg999@cs.uofs.ed=
>>>>> u>  =
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is like golf these days, when Tiger is playing the field is  =
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> competing=3D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for second place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice analogy, but a little off the mark.
>>>>>> VMS isn't Tiger Woods, it's Arnold Palmer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I agree that it hasn't moved with the times like z/os
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if that was tongue-in-cheek, but it still missed the point.
>>>> It's not that VMS is just old, it's also no longer in the game.
>>>>
>>>> bill
>>>>
>>> z/os is also old, used to be MVS, remember?  It unlike OpenVMS has been
>>> updated and is very much in the game.  A new managment team might be  
>>> able
>>> to do the same for OpenVMS.  I certainly could.
>>>
>>
>> A lot of people could.  The problem is not people who could. It's HP  
>> that doesn't give a shit!
>>
> No, it is the people.  HP is a business.  If noone in the VMS organization
> is capable of presenting a compelling business case, why should Fink 
> and  his
> bosses do anything?
> 
> 
> 

Perhaps there IS NO COMPELLING BUSINESS CASE!!!!  VMS was a "niche" O/S 
thirteen years ago and the niche has only gotten smaller.  It's still 
shrinking.

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:03:00 +0100
From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)
Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Message-ID: <47b152b4$1@news.langstoeger.at>

In article <_o4sj.3758$R_4.2775@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:
>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote:
>> In article <qrVrj.14699$EZ3.10630@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> writes:
>>> Would people be interested in these new features?  I see that 
>>> madgoat.com no longer exists.  What would the authors think of me
>>> distributing my changes?
>> 
>> Matt (the author) has made MX V5 (know, the one with Anti-SPAM) freeware now.
>> 
>> Why not take it, and improve it (for all of us)
>
>Is the free V5 what is called "V6" ?

It looks like.
Matt seems to call it V6 now (to tell, that it now supports I64 as well ;-)
I don't know if there are any differences to my MX V5.4 (ECO x), will have
to check myself soon (when my I64 finally boots)...

-- 
Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
Network and OpenVMS system specialist
E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at
A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:30:12 +0100
From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>
Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Message-ID: <op.t6ehsmbtdc3j58@notemv-tap.mv.privat>

Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote:
> Joseph Huber wrote:
>> MX 6 is now open source, see
>>  http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D08/02/05/9642981
>> and
>> http://forums12.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=
=3D1190006
...
> At least I was using my changes for the last 7 months.
> My SMTP server is on a VAX and I don't think MX 6 supports VAX.

It could be well worth a look. In the 00README.TXT file, Matt writes:
"I have removed the kitting for VAX systems, although the source code
still contains VAX support."

cu,
   Martin
-- =

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One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de
One OS to bring them all      |   http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martin=
v/
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Date: 12 Feb 2008 08:13:56 -0600
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Message-ID: <3rYXe5Pd$1A2@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <61b0liF1u8k6sU5@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
> 
> Gee, that looks easy to fix.  Block yahoo.com.  :-)
> 
> And, before someone asks, yes, I would.
> 

   I do.  And I block AOL, Hotmail, Comcast, ...

   Except for a few AOL and Comcast accounts on my whitelist.

   It's just too easy for a spammer to get an account on those systems,
   violate thier rules, throw away the account, get another, ... as
   infinitum.

   Not to mention the number of unsecured PCs on those network, which
   spammers have taken over without thier owner's knowledge or concern.

   "People wouldn't attack your system if you didn't have that firewall."
   8-(

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:18:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Gezelter <gezelter@rlgsc.com>
Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2
Message-ID: <fcdcea6e-f15a-4995-b739-120fd47b91e6@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 11, 5:32 am, Vance Haemmerle <va...@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>
wrote:
> I've been using MX 4.2 for almost a decade, with the
> latest patches and the Anti-open relay modifications.
> Is there anyone else out there still using MX 4.2?
>
> Last summer SPAM seemed to grow enormously, for me
> up to about 200-300 SPAM messages a day.  I used the
> MX_SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG variable and looked at the traffic.
> Most of the SPAM messages could be easily detected
> by bad HELO hostnames (e.g. localhost or my own
> domain or host or IP) and invalid usernames.  Some
> usernames in SPAM messges were actually usenet message
> IDs that I could even find in the original usenet post
> in Google Groups.
>
> I made modifications to the anti-relay version of
> SMTP_SERVER.B32, about 300 lines, and came up with
> several methods to reduce SPAM as well as added an
> optional usage of a DNS blackhole list to reject
> messages from hosts that are in the list.  Using all
> the anti-SPAM messages and the blackhole list
> "zen.spamhaus.org" my SPAM was reduced by about 85-90%.
> Since then the SPAM has reduced and now I only get a
> few a day.
>
> I know that rejecting email based on the HELO
> message isn't good according to the RFCs but looking
> at what's on the Internet, I see many doing it
> and the seriousness of the SPAM problem is making
> it popular.
>
> Here is my documentation on how to use it:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> New SPAM filter functionality for MX 4.2:
>
> Logical: MX_SMTP_SERVER_DNSBL
>
>   Defines the name of the SPAM DNS Blackhole list to use.
> MX will take the remote address and check the blackhole
> list specified.  If found on the list, the email will be
> rejected at the RCPT_TO command with the error:
>
> 554 Mail rejected; remote host is listed in SPAM DNS blackhole list <...>
>
> where <...> is the value of MX_SMTP_SERVER_DNSBL
>
> Logical:  MX_SMTP_SERVER_SPAMCODE
>
>   Defines which SPAM rules to use in filtering.
> Value is the sum of the rules as follows:
>
> Rule
>  1   Reject connections which use localhost as the HELO domain and
>      the connection does not originate from 127.0.0.1 or connections
>      which use localhost.localdomain.  These will be rejected with
>      the status:
>
>      554 Fix your HELO domain, localhost usually means SPAM.
>
>  2   Reject connections which use your hostname as the HELO domain
>      and who's originating IP does not match.  This includes connections
>      using your host IP number.  These will be rejected with the status:
>
>      554 Fix your HELO domain, using mine usually means SPAM.
>
>  4   Reject connections which do not use a fully qualified domain as
>      the HELO domain.  Specifically, the name must contain a "." or it
>      will be rejected with the status:
>
>      504 Not a fully qualified domain name, usually means SPAM.
>
>  8   Reject RCPT_TO addresses who's local part does not contain a ":" and
>      is greater than 12 characters (the max VMS username) for the case where
>      the remote server is not in the relay.dat list (i.e. the RCPT_TO should
>      be directed to the local system).  These will be rejected with the status:
>
>      550 Username is not valid on this system.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Would people be interested in these new features?  I see that
> madgoat.com no longer exists.  What would the authors think of me
> distributing my changes?
>
> I also found a bug in compiling MX on VAX with the BLISS compiler.
> I had to add the option "/SYNTAX_LEVEL=2" to BFLAGS in DESCRIP.MMS
> for VAX so that the alias lines compiled without error.
>
> --
> Vance Haemmerle

Vance,

I would like to second Peter's suggestion that this modification be
checked against the V6 sources. While apparently the kit does not
exist, we should be able to recompile V6 for VAX and then have all the
advantages your work and the other improvements that were in the
interim versions of MX.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 02:58:46 -0600
From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius)
Subject: Re: TU58 cartridges
Message-ID: <jCs87wLTMrsW@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <47B08877.8090503@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> Anybody got some TU58 cartridges they want to get rid of for the
>>> cost of postage?  I could use a bunch.  :-)
>>>
>>> bill

I'll check, but I can probably part with a few. No fair reselling them,
though.

>> I've got three.  Two of them are labeled HSC V4.1 Software and the other 
>> is labeled "blank".  AFAIK, they were never used.

>> Three for $15 and I'll pay the postage.  $10 if you want to come to 
>> Turnersville and haul them away.  Looking at my Atlas, it looks as if 
>> mailing them would be the better deal.
> 
> I'm withdrawing my offer.  I just looked up the MARKET PRICE for those 
> suckers!!  $29 each, used, untested!!!!!!!!

--
George Cornelius              cornelius ( A T ) eisner.decus.org
                              cornelius ( A T ) mayo.edu

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Date: 12 Feb 2008 15:18:18 GMT
From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: TU58 cartridges
Message-ID: <61drlqF1ufl3dU1@mid.individual.net>

In article <jCs87wLTMrsW@eisner.encompasserve.org>,
	BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes:
> In article <47B08877.8090503@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> Anybody got some TU58 cartridges they want to get rid of for the
>>>> cost of postage?  I could use a bunch.  :-)
> 
> I'll check, but I can probably part with a few. No fair reselling them,
> though.
> 

The only time I have ever even tried to resell a piece of my classic
computer stuff was when I could not find someone to take it for free.
That was a VAX 7000 and the guy who ended out buying it has been back
for even more free stuff.  

But in this case, I actually need them for something related to my Ultrix-11
project.

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 17:13:27 GMT
From: djg@pdp8.net (David Gesswein)
Subject: Re: TU58 cartridges
Message-ID: <61e2dmF1utvp9U1@mid.individual.net>

In article <618kmoF1u13vtU2@mid.individual.net>,
Bill Gunshannon <billg999@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
>Anybody got some TU58 cartridges they want to get rid of for the
>cost of postage?  I could use a bunch.  :-)
>
If they have been sitting for a long time they may not be useable.
The ones I have the internal band has stuck to the tape so if you move
them it pulls the oxide off.  Mine are DEC branded and were stored in a
normal office enviornment.

Anybody found a way to salvage tapes with this problem?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:29:43 -0800 (PST)
From: FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com>
Subject: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <918d5747-7939-4924-9c0c-2059a4d4aa18@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>

I have a new application that reads from a mailbox, and periodically
the status value returned in the I/O status block is invalid.  The
value is consistently %X3033, which doesn't come up with anything in
SYS$GETMSG.

Since the I/O status block only returns a word (16-bit value) I'm
wondering if the facility code is being truncated.  Would be very
unusual, but I'm out of other ideas.

Based on the low-order bits this an informational message, whatever it
means, so for now I'm ignoring it.

Anyone have thoughts on what the error condition may be?

This is OpenVMS Alpha, v7.3, on an Alphaserver 5/800.  I have to check
the patch history but chances are there are some that haven't been
applied.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:47:59 -0800 (PST)
From: IanMiller <gxys@uk2.net>
Subject: Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <66eafdc9-ed7f-4cd1-a99f-11f9941a3f43@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>

could it be that the IOSB is being trampled upon by something else?

------------------------------

Date: 12 Feb 2008 12:09:23 -0600
From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <XDcZLM3iOxYc@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <66eafdc9-ed7f-4cd1-a99f-11f9941a3f43@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller <gxys@uk2.net> writes:

> could it be that the IOSB is being trampled upon by something else?

Or that $QIO is being called, rather than $QIOW ?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:19:53 -0800 (PST)
From: FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com>
Subject: Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <20f0f124-f4cf-485c-9579-c99ee2ac7b72@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 12, 1:09=A0pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:
> Or that $QIO is being called, rather than $QIOW ?

It's definitely $QIOW.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:20:33 -0800 (PST)
From: FrankS <sapienza@noesys.com>
Subject: Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <86a8cba2-3101-4f07-8cbd-60b7474bc5d0@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 12, 12:47=A0pm, IanMiller <g...@uk2.net> wrote:
> could it be that the IOSB is being trampled upon by something else?

Will quadruple-check, but so far the answer appears to be no.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:36:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Unusual mailbox status value
Message-ID: <88ceb00c-60e4-4d20-95b3-99493c08606d@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>

On Feb 12, 1:20=A0pm, FrankS <sapie...@noesys.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 12:47=A0pm, IanMiller <g...@uk2.net> wrote:
>
> > could it be that the IOSB is being trampled upon by something else?
>
> Will quadruple-check, but so far the answer appears to be no.

x3033 is the binary representation for the text '03'

If you can, expand the error handler to print out the hex values for
the whole IOSB
Better still, take the address IOSB , subtract x20 or so, and print
x40 bytes worth
of data as hex and/or SYS$FAO !AF

Btw... how did you even find it. x0333 is 'odd' and most proper
application will ignore it, being a succes code.

What made the application look there? Did it FIRST test R0 (retrun
status) as it should, or did it leap to the IOSB?

What was in the IOSB before the QIO call. If the QIOW fails completely
(bad channel) then the status is in R0 and depending on that status,
the IOSB might (will!?) not have been changed yet.

Good luck!
Hein.

This is most certain to be semi-random data hitting the IOSB.
Any AST work in the application at all?

Good luck!
Hein.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:12:47 -0800
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company>
Subject: Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving)
Message-ID: <op.t6e27lpwhv4qyg@murphus>

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:14:40 -0800, Jean-François Piéronne  
<jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote:

> Richard Maher wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>    Now, the Flex SDK has rudimentary Socket support but as I don't see  
>> Adobe
>> ever dropping the requirement for a JRE anytime real soon, I see no  
>> problem
>> with using the Java code (or something like it) that you'll also find  
>> in the
>> t2$examples directory.
>>
>
> A recorded of a Flex <-> VMS demonstration application (need the Flash  
> plugin, but it's for a Flex demo anyway, its only a technological  
> demonstration, not necessary a useful application):
>
> http://vmspython.dyndns.org/anonymous/demo/demo2.htm
>
> The VMS part used WASD (so, http or https, VMS authentication,  
> throttling,...), and a few hundred lines of Python code.
>
>
> JFP

Very impressive, nice work.


-- 
PL/I for OpenVMS
www.kednos.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:39:15 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <7Pdsj.3762$R_4.2763@newsb.telia.net>

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Paul Anderson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Alan, I've looked into the differences between the Xerox Phaser 7750 
>>> and 7760 printers this morning and they appear to be minimal...
>>
>>
>> I'm having a similar "problem" right now. A customer has a
>> Xerox "WorkCentre 4150" where there are some printing troubles.
>>
>> http://www.office.xerox.com/multifunction-printer/enus.html
>>
>> I'm checking if DCPS would be a good option here. Now,
>> the *4150* is not in the list of supported printes in
>> the SPD, of course. :-)
>>
>> The files are plain text 7-bit ASCII, and we need the national
>> ISO-Latin "Swedish" chars in place of "[\]{|}", that is
>> decimal 91,92,93 and 123,124,135.
>>
>> "åäöÅÄÖ" for those that can read/see them... :-)
>>
>> Currently the queue runs with a custom-built symbiont
>> that changes these 6 chars in the fly. But support of that
>> custom symbiont is, well, no more.
>>
>> There is also a problem with an extra blank page before
>> each printout (which always are a single page...) and
>> I'd thought that DCPS would cure that too. I do not
>> think that the custom-built symbint (just a short Macro
>> program) works with the usual Setup-modules...
>>
>> Anyway, any thoughts about this and if DCPS whould have
>> any features to solve this particular problem would be nice.
>>
> 
> The blank page could be due to *any* non-printing character sequence
> in the job setup or page setup that is not recogonized as an escape or 
> control sequence.  If the symbiont is not certain that the the first 
> line of text will print on the first line of the page, it will issue 
> that formfeed to ensure that it is.
> 
> There is, or was, a special escape sequence you could use to tell the 
> print symbiont that no formfeed is required or desired.

 > See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1020.html
 > for the trick used to suppress the formfeed.


Yes, I know.
But I thought that that was a feature of the symbiont (to catch
those "DEC" escape sequences and the short macro they use here
does not have that logic.

Or are the DEC esc sequences eveluated somewhere else then in
the symbiont ?

JF wrote :

 > Woudln't it be much simpler to just send the charcaters you want ?
 > aka: for å , send 0xE4 (228)

Sure, but for some reason (work?) they dpnot want to
change all report-programs into 8-bit ASCII. They for now
uses 7-bit using the national character sets.

Now, on *older* HP LaserJets this was no non-issue, since
you could easily set it up to the local char table. That seems
to have been removed in later (more Windows orientet)
printers...


Jan-Erik.


   It's been too
> many years since I needed it but perhaps that clue will point you or 
> someone here to the necesary "magic".  I don't have it on my personal 
> machine and, after 3-1/2 years without needing it; it MAY still be in 
> the sludge at the bottom of my mind and float to the top again someday 
> but don't hold your breath!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:37:43 +0000 (UTC)
From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <fos0e7$38b$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>

In article <paul.anderson-CA9CB5.13341411022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:
>In article <foq0rb$g68$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk 
>wrote:
>
>> In article <paul.anderson-4AA494.12063411022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, 
>> Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:
>> >In article <00A74E4E.933A00A3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
>> > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central 
>> > Computing) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >We have changed DCPS over the years to make it easier to work with 
>> >printers it doesn't know about.  We've added LPD, assumed all 
>> >printers have PCL, 
>> 
>> Sorry does this mean that DCPS supports non-postscript PCL printers ?
>
>No.  A PostScript interpreter is required for DCPS jobs.
>
>DCPS used to assume that any printer it didn't know about did not have a 
>PCL interpreter in addition to a PostScript interpreter.  Starting with 
>DCPS V2.4, DCPS assumes such printers have a PCL interpreter also.
>
>The old behavior caused the DCPS PCL 4 translator to be used to 
>translate PCL to PostScript, which could produce incorrect results with 
>PCL 5 or 6 code.  Now such code will print with the printer's native PCL 
>interpreter.
>
OK.

However would it be possible to look into the possibility of a future versioon
of DCPS (at least for LPD connections) being able to output PCL.
As far as I can see there appear to be a lot of cheaper printers which support
PCL but don't support postscript.
It would be nice to have a more general facility like the Foomatic filter
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foomatic

David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University


 





>Paul
>
>-- 
> Paul Anderson
>  OpenVMS Engineering
>  Hewlett-Packard Company

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:43:21 -0500
From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <47B1A279.3070905@comcast.net>

Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> 
>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alan, I've looked into the differences between the Xerox Phaser 7750 
>>>> and 7760 printers this morning and they appear to be minimal...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm having a similar "problem" right now. A customer has a
>>> Xerox "WorkCentre 4150" where there are some printing troubles.
>>>
>>> http://www.office.xerox.com/multifunction-printer/enus.html
>>>
>>> I'm checking if DCPS would be a good option here. Now,
>>> the *4150* is not in the list of supported printes in
>>> the SPD, of course. :-)
>>>
>>> The files are plain text 7-bit ASCII, and we need the national
>>> ISO-Latin "Swedish" chars in place of "[\]{|}", that is
>>> decimal 91,92,93 and 123,124,135.
>>>
>>> "åäöÅÄÖ" for those that can read/see them... :-)
>>>
>>> Currently the queue runs with a custom-built symbiont
>>> that changes these 6 chars in the fly. But support of that
>>> custom symbiont is, well, no more.
>>>
>>> There is also a problem with an extra blank page before
>>> each printout (which always are a single page...) and
>>> I'd thought that DCPS would cure that too. I do not
>>> think that the custom-built symbint (just a short Macro
>>> program) works with the usual Setup-modules...
>>>
>>> Anyway, any thoughts about this and if DCPS whould have
>>> any features to solve this particular problem would be nice.
>>>
>>
>> The blank page could be due to *any* non-printing character sequence
>> in the job setup or page setup that is not recogonized as an escape or 
>> control sequence.  If the symbiont is not certain that the the first 
>> line of text will print on the first line of the page, it will issue 
>> that formfeed to ensure that it is.
>>
>> There is, or was, a special escape sequence you could use to tell the 
>> print symbiont that no formfeed is required or desired.
> 
> 
>  > See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1020.html
>  > for the trick used to suppress the formfeed.
> 
> 
> Yes, I know.
> But I thought that that was a feature of the symbiont (to catch
> those "DEC" escape sequences and the short macro they use here
> does not have that logic.
> 
> Or are the DEC esc sequences eveluated somewhere else then in
> the symbiont ?
> 
<snip>

The symbiont doesn't care very much about escape sequences.  It does, 
however, care about starting at top-of-form.  The printer evaluates the 
escape sequences and executes them.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:08:59 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <%Lhsj.3764$R_4.2814@newsb.telia.net>

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Alan, I've looked into the differences between the Xerox Phaser 
>>>>> 7750 and 7760 printers this morning and they appear to be minimal...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm having a similar "problem" right now. A customer has a
>>>> Xerox "WorkCentre 4150" where there are some printing troubles.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.office.xerox.com/multifunction-printer/enus.html
>>>>
>>>> I'm checking if DCPS would be a good option here. Now,
>>>> the *4150* is not in the list of supported printes in
>>>> the SPD, of course. :-)
>>>>
>>>> The files are plain text 7-bit ASCII, and we need the national
>>>> ISO-Latin "Swedish" chars in place of "[\]{|}", that is
>>>> decimal 91,92,93 and 123,124,135.
>>>>
>>>> "åäöÅÄÖ" for those that can read/see them... :-)
>>>>
>>>> Currently the queue runs with a custom-built symbiont
>>>> that changes these 6 chars in the fly. But support of that
>>>> custom symbiont is, well, no more.
>>>>
>>>> There is also a problem with an extra blank page before
>>>> each printout (which always are a single page...) and
>>>> I'd thought that DCPS would cure that too. I do not
>>>> think that the custom-built symbint (just a short Macro
>>>> program) works with the usual Setup-modules...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, any thoughts about this and if DCPS whould have
>>>> any features to solve this particular problem would be nice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The blank page could be due to *any* non-printing character sequence
>>> in the job setup or page setup that is not recogonized as an escape 
>>> or control sequence.  If the symbiont is not certain that the the 
>>> first line of text will print on the first line of the page, it will 
>>> issue that formfeed to ensure that it is.
>>>
>>> There is, or was, a special escape sequence you could use to tell the 
>>> print symbiont that no formfeed is required or desired.
>>
>>
>>  > See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1020.html
>>  > for the trick used to suppress the formfeed.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I know.
>> But I thought that that was a feature of the symbiont (to catch
>> those "DEC" escape sequences and the short macro they use here
>> does not have that logic.
>>
>> Or are the DEC esc sequences eveluated somewhere else then in
>> the symbiont ?
>>
> <snip>
> 
> The symbiont doesn't care very much about escape sequences.  It does, 
> however, care about starting at top-of-form.  The printer evaluates the 
> escape sequences and executes them.
> 

No, not the special "VMS" (not "DEC", sorry) escape sequences that are
specificaly evaluated by the (DEC/CPQ/HP supplied) print symbionts :


"Use any editor to add the blank page suppression control sequence to
  the reset module text extracted from the library.  The sequence is:

   {ESC}]VMS;2{ESC}\

  Where {ESC} indicates the ASCII escape character.  (This sequence
  is processed by and controls the activities of the OpenVMS print
  symbiont, and the sequence -- when correctly formated -- will not
  be sent to the printer for processing.  This sequence is specific
  to OpenVMS and the OpenVMS Print symbiont, and not the printer.)

Best Regards
Jan-Erik.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:45 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <Vbisj.3765$R_4.2781@newsb.telia.net>

JF Mezei wrote:
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> 
>> Sure, but for some reason (work?) they do not want to
>> change all report-programs into 8-bit ASCII. They for now
>> uses 7-bit using the national character sets.
> 
> Are those simple text files without escape sequences ?

Yes, plain text written from COBOL source.

I guess I'll check again about 7 -> 8 bit ASCII
conversion of the source codes...

Anothing thing is that the COBOL prorams uses COPY to
"print" to the queues. So the queues have to have names
as devices, in this case LTAxxxx. The printers are not LAT
connected, so the LTAxxxx queues are simply assigned to the
real queue where the printing takes place. Dummy LAT devices
are created anyway, I guess the COPY whouldn't work if not...

Now, the initial blank page is another problem I'd thought
I'd fix for them at the same time. And I'd rather prefer
to use some standard tool such as DCPS instead of some
home-built symbiont with no support at all.

B.t.w, does any one know to get a copy of CPS$ANSI_FONTS.TLB ?
It should contain font emulations for ANSI printing in DCPS.

Now, I have to get a networked laser printer to my office,
so I can test DCPS in-house before messing around with the
customers systems... :-)

Jan-Erik.



> 
> It wouldn't be too difficult to write a postscript prologue which
> re-encoded the font to map your special characters to other values and
> then just print the contents of the data that follows. But that would
> assume all your printers are postscript.
> 
> 
> I have some postscript code that does character re-encoding (dates back
> from before Postscript level 2 that had the iso 8851-1 encoding vector
> built in.)
> 
> 
> 
> If your printers are serial, have you considered the terminal fallback
> facility ?
> 
> run sys$system:tfu
> set library sys$system:tff$master.dat
> set term/fallback=table:canadian
> exit
> 
> (this is something I haven't used in 20 years, and it was executed
> interactively).

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:43:11 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-636725.09431112022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <sB4sj.3759$R_4.2621@newsb.telia.net>,
 Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:

> I'm having a similar "problem" right now. A customer has a Xerox 
> "WorkCentre 4150" where there are some printing troubles.
> 
> http://www.office.xerox.com/multifunction-printer/enus.html
> 
> I'm checking if DCPS would be a good option here. Now, the *4150* is 
> not in the list of supported printes in the SPD, of course. :-)

We have no experience with the Xerox WorkCentre 4150 printer.  To get 
this to work, you could trick DCPS into thinking it was a similar model 
such as one of the WorkCentre Pro models DCPS does support.

It does not matter which WorkCentre Pro model you choose, as DCPS uses 
the same code for each.  Let's pick one:

   $ DEFINE /SYSTEM /EXEC DCPS$queuename_PRODUCT_NAME "Xerox WCP 232"

This trickery is not supported but might work for you.

> The files are plain text 7-bit ASCII, and we need the national 
> ISO-Latin "Swedish" chars in place of "[\]{|}", that is decimal 
> 91,92,93 and 123,124,135.
> 
> "åäöÅÄÖ" for those that can read/see them... :-)

If you used DCPS, you could add the ANSI escape sequence to select the 
Swedish character set and DCPS would translate it to the proper 
PostScript to send to the printer.

   <ESC>(7

selects Swedish and

   <ESC>(B

sets it to ASCII.  So send the first sequence before the ASCII 91, 92, 
93, 123, 124 or 135 and the characters will print properly.

> There is also a problem with an extra blank page before each printout 
> (which always are a single page...) and I'd thought that DCPS would 
> cure that too.

That depends on what is generating the extra page.  If it's asked for 
in the file itself, then you'd have to remove it there.  DCPS doesn't 
print blank pages unless asked.

Paul

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  OpenVMS Engineering
  Hewlett-Packard Company

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:45:31 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-BBE18F.09453112022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <00A75072.0474F534@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
 winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) 
 wrote:

> In article <paul.anderson-4AA494.12063411022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, 
> Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com> writes:

> >Alan, I've looked into the differences between the Xerox Phaser 7750 
> >and 7760 printers this morning and they appear to be minimal.  The 
> >7760 is the replacement for the 7750 and has an optional puncher, 
> >but otherwise they appear very similar under the hood.  And they 
> >appear to have that same off-white color on the outside, so they 
> >must be about the same, right?
> 
> That sounds pretty compelling. (What could go wrong?)

My thoughts exactly.  ;-)

The answer from Xerox is:

   Paper path accommodations and improvements in the toner, and timing 
   between the finisher and engine were major improvements for the 7750 
   to 7760.  Otherwise they are the same basic units.

Paul

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:49:37 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-621BF7.09493712022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <fos0e7$38b$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk 
wrote:

> However would it be possible to look into the possibility of a future 
> versioon of DCPS (at least for LPD connections) being able to output 
> PCL. As far as I can see there appear to be a lot of cheaper printers 
> which support PCL but don't support postscript. It would be nice to 
> have a more general facility like the Foomatic filter
> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foomatic

I doubt DCPS would ever be modified in such a way.  DCPS doesn't just 
use PostScript to output files to the printer--it uses PostScript to 
control the options specified by the user or queue, such as tray 
selection and formatting.

It's more likely someone would port CUPS or Foomatic to OpenVMS.  Are 
you volunteering?

Paul

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  Hewlett-Packard Company

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:01:06 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <Swisj.3766$R_4.2741@newsb.telia.net>

Paul Anderson wrote:

> It does not matter which WorkCentre Pro model you choose, as DCPS uses 
> the same code for each.  Let's pick one:
> 
>    $ DEFINE /SYSTEM /EXEC DCPS$queuename_PRODUCT_NAME "Xerox WCP 232"
> 
> This trickery is not supported but might work for you.

Yes, since these are pretty simple printouts (no tray handling)
I guess it should work

> If you used DCPS, you could add the ANSI escape sequence to select the 
> Swedish character set and DCPS would translate it to the proper 
> PostScript to send to the printer.
> 
>    <ESC>(7
> 
> selects Swedish and
> 
>    <ESC>(B
> 
> sets it to ASCII.  So send the first sequence before the ASCII 91, 92, 
> 93, 123, 124 or 135 and the characters will print properly.

Great !
It was some solution like that I was hoping for !! :-)
No fancy PS-programming to do... :-)

And since the actal "printing" is done by COPY'ing the file
to the queue, the ESC-sequence could be put in an separate
file and appended in the COPY command. No changes to the
actual printout from the application. Perfect!
> 
>> There is also a problem with an extra blank page before each printout 
>> (which always are a single page...) and I'd thought that DCPS would 
>> cure that too.
> 
> That depends on what is generating the extra page.  If it's asked for 
> in the file itself, then you'd have to remove it there.  DCPS doesn't 
> print blank pages unless asked.

OK. I'll double check that they aren't printing the extra FF
from the application...

Just ordered a "HP LJ P2015n" so I can run DCSP in-office also. :-)

B.t.w, the SPD says "P2015" and "P3005", but I guess that should read
"P2015n" and "P3005n", right ? That is, the network-ready versions.

Many thanks !
Jan-Erik.

> 
> Paul
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:02:24 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-24D559.10022412022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <Vbisj.3765$R_4.2781@newsb.telia.net>,
 Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:

> B.t.w, does any one know to get a copy of CPS$ANSI_FONTS.TLB ? It 
> should contain font emulations for ANSI printing in DCPS.

That file comes from the SoftFont kit, now retired and no longer 
available.  I can send you the file if you want.

Paul

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  OpenVMS Engineering
  Hewlett-Packard Company

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:36:44 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-EB6524.10364412022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <Swisj.3766$R_4.2741@newsb.telia.net>,
 Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:

> Just ordered a "HP LJ P2015n" so I can run DCSP in-office also. :-)
> 
> B.t.w, the SPD says "P2015" and "P3005", but I guess that should read 
> "P2015n" and "P3005n", right ? That is, the network-ready versions.

We don't specify the sub-models of each printer in the SPD.  Yes, the 
most typical models would be the "n" variants, but it would also be 
possible to connect something to the USB port and get it to work with 
DCPS too.

There are too many sub-models, some of which are released after the 
printer is first released, and listing them could cause more 
confusion if perfectly valid models were then not listed.

Paul

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  Hewlett-Packard Company

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:40:57 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <d6jsj.3768$R_4.2805@newsb.telia.net>

Paul Anderson wrote:
> In article <Vbisj.3765$R_4.2781@newsb.telia.net>,
>  Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> B.t.w, does any one know to get a copy of CPS$ANSI_FONTS.TLB ? It 
>> should contain font emulations for ANSI printing in DCPS.
> 
> That file comes from the SoftFont kit, now retired and no longer 
> available.  I can send you the file if you want.
> 
> Paul
> 

Well, yes, why not ? :-)

Mail to jan-erik dot soderholm at telia dot com.

Thanks !
Jan-Erik.

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:58:40 GMT
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <Qmjsj.3770$R_4.2666@newsb.telia.net>

Paul Anderson wrote:
> In article <Swisj.3766$R_4.2741@newsb.telia.net>,
>  Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just ordered a "HP LJ P2015n" so I can run DCSP in-office also. :-)
>>
>> B.t.w, the SPD says "P2015" and "P3005", but I guess that should read 
>> "P2015n" and "P3005n", right ? That is, the network-ready versions.
> 
> We don't specify the sub-models of each printer in the SPD.  Yes, the 
> most typical models would be the "n" variants, but it would also be 
> possible to connect something to the USB port and get it to work with 
> DCPS too.
> 

Ah, OK. As long as the actual printer still has an PS
emulator builtin, right ? Sometimes the PS emulator and
the network interface seems to come together... :-)

Anyway, I have an 2015n ordered now.

Jan-Erik.

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:02:48 -0500
From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>
Subject: Re: Xerox 7760 on DCPS?
Message-ID: <paul.anderson-772441.12024812022008@usenet01.boi.hp.com>

In article <Qmjsj.3770$R_4.2666@newsb.telia.net>,
 Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:

> Ah, OK. As long as the actual printer still has an PS emulator 
> builtin, right ?

Right.  Actually, a PostScript "translator", not "emulator", although 
some consider non-Adobe PostScript translators to be an emulator.

Paul

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  OpenVMS Engineering
  Hewlett-Packard Company

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:39:18 GMT
From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US>
Subject: Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA
Message-ID: <qHesj.6758$5K1.2859@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>

Uusim=E4ki wrote:
>=20
>=20
> The DEGPA adapter is not supported for booting, but the DEGXA adapter=20
> is. So no wonder.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Kari
>=20
>=20

  I don't think the DEGXA adapter is supported on the XP1000,
it isn't listed.  Does the XP1000 SRM firmware see it as an
ethernet device?

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:09:29 -0500
From: "David Turner, Island Computers" <dturner@no-spam-islandco.com>
Subject: Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA
Message-ID: <13r3h1v4bj67a82@news.supernews.com>

Vance
We have the correct sounds cards for the XP1000
price is $39 + shipping

DT

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"Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> wrote in message 
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>  After getting a DEGPA-TA (Gigabit Ethernet) for an XP1000
> I can confirm that it does work fine on VMS V7.2-2.  It
> doesn't show up under "show device" in the firmware but
> does show up as "DEGPA" when doing a "show config".  I guess
> this means that you can't boot up over it.  It auto
> negotiates to 1000Mbit full duplex when connected to a Gigabit Netgear 
> switch.  On bootup it gets configured after
> a PowerStorm 350 graphics device configures.  When used
> with VMScluster SCS traffic it gets configured right after
> the internal Fast Ethernet port, before the 350.  It shows
> up as EWB0 as compared to the internal EWA0.
>
>  I was looking at the Multimedia Services information and I
> see that it supports audio for the XP1000 with a PCI card
> called "Compaq Creative Labs AudioPCI Card (also referred to
> as the Compaq Ensoniq AudioPCI Card)".  I've looked on the
> Internet and there seems to be several Compaq AudioPCI cards,
> e.g. ES1371, Audio 128, 5200, etc. all using the ES1373
> chipset. I see some with and some without a game port.  Which
> one is the supported one?
>
>  I also noticed that Multimedia Services supports the
> "AlphaStation Sound Card" (also known as the Microsoft Sound
> Board,and referred to as the MSB device) on the DIGITAL
> Personal Workstation 600au, and on previously shipped
> AlphaStation systems."  The release notes mention that MMOV
> includes a mmov$essdriver driver to support the built-in
> audio on the Personal Workstations if some info is added to
> the sys$user_config.dat.  I can confirm that this also works
> on the internal audio of the XP1000, it creates a device AUA0:
> which works with the audio play programs.  So I may not buy
> an audio PCI card, but I would like to have the output audio
> of the CD-ROM available.
>
> --
> Vance Haemmerle 

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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:26:31 +0200
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki@withouthis_exdecfinland.org>
Subject: Re: XP1000 and DEGPA-TA
Message-ID: <47b1e4c9$0$14996$9b536df3@news.fv.fi>

Vance Haemmerle wrote:
> Uusimäki wrote:
>>
>>
>> The DEGPA adapter is not supported for booting, but the DEGXA adapter 
>> is. So no wonder.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kari
>>
>>
> 
>  I don't think the DEGXA adapter is supported on the XP1000,
> it isn't listed.  Does the XP1000 SRM firmware see it as an
> ethernet device?
> 
> -- 
> Vance 

That's true. The XP1000 firmware is too old. It was retired so early, 
that the DEGXA weren't out at that time. Didn't remember that.
Bad luck. I hope you don't need the netboot feature. In that case the 
DEGPA will work fine.


Regards,

Kari

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