INFO-VAX Fri, 16 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 149 Contents: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: Biofules was: AMD's well may be running dry Excursion Question Re: Excursion Question Re: Excursion Question Re: Excursion Question Re: Excursion Question Re: HP OpenVMS I64 Support Plans? Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Re: Power Consumption Re: Power Consumption - small (and not so small) appliances Re: Power Consumption - small (and not so small) appliances TZ885 Loader manual and software question Update: AMD's well may be running dry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:51:05 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <07031512510576_2020028F@antinode.org> From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > I know exactly how clueless these people can be. If you don't care > to see this drivel here, then you should probably killfile the > thread. Thank you so much for the suggestion. And, speaking of clueless, how would you suggest implementing your suggestion when using the Info-VAX e-mail gateway? Drivel is stopped best at its source, but that does make some small demands on the drivellers, and, apparently, "small" is too great for too many. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:00:28 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173985228.146939.134160@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On 15 Mar, 14:21, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <8660a3a10703140735pc010fecm6b77aa3d8bd8f...@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: > > > > > Ratification of foreign treaties is a function of the United States Senate, > > not of the President. > > He can't sign what they haven't ratified. (Well, I guess he could, but it > > would be a meaningless gesture, and would not have the force of law.) > > The Executive Branch negotiates and signs treaties with foreign > powers, before the treaty is sent to the Senate. The treaty has > no legal force unless the Senate ratifies it, but the Senate > will not look at a treaty that isn't signed. Presidents can, and > often do, set policy consistent with treaties that have not been > ratified, as far as his authority to set policies allows, and > existing law does not prevent. > Quite, the Bush administration has refused to ask the senate to ratify Kyoto, hiding behind the non binding 1997 resolution does not cut any ice at all. The really amusing thing in a sad way about the whole argument is the shifting strategy of the Global Warming Denialists. Initially the thrust of their argument was that Global warming wasn't actually happening at all. Faced with overwhelming evidence that this was false the denialists shifted their argument to sun cycles as opposed to the majority opinion of human activity as a cause and now that the endgame is approaching the fatalist argument of we cant do anything about it anyway is now being raised. I am pessimistic and are of the opinion that out political leaders in particular the leaders of the "free world" the US will act too late and with too little force. In that sense I am in the James Lovelock camp with everyone having to look out for themselves, that said the current economic arguments for developing low carbon economies are so compelling that only an idiot of a an elected representative cannot see them. Regards Andrew Harrison > > The Senate did debate ratification of Kyoto, and they rejected it 95-0. > > That's Democrats and Republicans there, folks. > > > And this didn't happen under Bush, it was under Clinton. > > In a Republican Senate. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0700 From: "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174011183.180670.185180@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1173959513.942059.98020@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 14, 9:09 pm, "Neil Rieck" wrote: >> wrote in message >> [...snip...] > > wrong again! You don't get along with the world, you are to be the > salt of the earth ... you are to set an example for these people ... > you are to be not of this world ... > > there was an interesting article about how light is slowing down > and that at the universe beginning it and time may have been > accelerated, so your so-called 6 billion years might have happened > in a thousand years time ... so 6000 years today might have > been 6 billion years early on ... > what a load of crap... > > I will trust God on these matters since He wrote the Bible ... > science knows NOTHING about the universe, they can't even > figure out things here yet ... > Like I said before, I am a practicing Christian (Lutheran) but do not believe that the bible is literally true. The bible was written by inspired people who were doing the best they could with the information available at the time. Most people are born into (rather than choosing) these dogmatic philosophies. Other crafty people use them to manipulate us into going to war, killing fags, etc. Religion made 100% perfect sense as a child but some parts are now suspect as an adult: for example, God is all powerful (created the universe etc.) but some guy now says that God told him to tell "me" to be part of a holy war. What a load of crap... > > now we may learn more when someone discovers some > dilithium crystals so we can get spock to help build a > starship ... otherwise we can't even get a man to mars ... > > and you better hurry before him and kirk dies, because > you already lost scotty and they are the only hope left! :) > I'm not even sure what this star ship stuff means. Science is a pragmatic process to collect information and build theories to describe how everything in the universe works. The computer you are using right now would be considered witchcraft 200 years ago but today we all accept it as understandable technology. We don't have all the answers now but science will provide more answers in the future provided we don't turf it all for some religious dogma. ### Now let me pass on something that's been in the back of my mind since college days. Maxwell unified electricity and magnetism into the electromagnetic theory. Anyone who has studied this knows that the electric field propagates at 90 degrees to the magnetic field. Yet in some sense they are both manifestations of the same thing but separated in time. Einstein did the same thing in special relativity with mass and energy. In general relativity he unified space and time into something called space- time. Quantum mechanics tells us that particles exhibit wave-particle duality. So the universe around us doesn't seem to be just one thing, but usually two. To me it "feels" like man has both material and spiritual components. So maybe we would be doing the creator a huge disservice by choosing "religion over science" or "science over religion". It seems to me that the most balanced people this side of Y2K have one foot in each world. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:45:51 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <45FA04DF.A69E5D6F@spam.comcast.net> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > > In article <45F88DDC.8CEC5D6D@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >> > >> In article <45F74C0E.82DC5477@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > >> >Bob Koehler wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In article <55mc3uF25ogesU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >> >> > > >> >> > Damn. And nature did all that without man's help. Go figure. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I don't care who did it. I don't care what's happening on Mars > >> >> with respect to global warming. I just want to do what we can to > >> >> aleviate it so all my great grandchildren don't starve. > >> > > >> >The probability of that is close to nil. Climate change on that scale takes > >> >hundreds of generations, many centuries even, without cosmic intervention. > >> > > >> If the methane hydrates were destabalised the effect would be pretty rapid. > >> Methane is about 60 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than CO2 but would > >> only remain in the atmosphere for about 10 years whereas CO2 remains in the > >> atmosphere for about 100 years. > >> Methane hydrates occur extensively all over the world and frozen methane > >> hydrates can contain 170 times their own volume of methane. > >> > >> see > >> > >> http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/h2_now/journal/articles/3_Methane.htm > > > >Nothing new. > > > >Neither is climatic change. It's going to happen. Would have happened even if > >humans had not evolved or developed mechanized industry. > > > >It will run its course. This is inevitable and inescapable. > > > >Let's all just get over it and get back to business providing for our families. > > > If it happens then it is highly unlikely that most of humanity would be able to > get back to the business of providing for their families. That's like trying to plan for a nulcear holocaust, or volcanic obliteration. Deal with it when/if it happens. For now, get over it. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:17:46 +1100 From: Phaeton Subject: Re: Biofules was: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <12vjs1s9mu2ntd9@corp.supernews.com> Tom Linden wrote: [...snip...] > How many calories does take to produce one liter of ethanol, and how many > calories can be extracted from that liter? Just to insert a lighter note into this "debate"... :-) : http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38234 Cheers, Csaba ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CSABA I. HARANGOZO |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| phaeton@internode.on.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: Meskimen's Law : There's never time to do it right, but always time to do it over. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:12:48 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Excursion Question Message-ID: Running V7.3.189 on XP SP2. Set display on VMS to point to XP, opened emacs or notepadon VMS, and was hoping to cut and paste from a window on XP to the one opened from VMS7.3, but paste on the DECW display only recognizes what last occured on VMS, and that is understandable, but is there any way to accomplish this, or is this a case of East is East ... -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:45:51 -0700 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: Excursion Question Message-ID: <55u7lvF26jltbU2@mid.individual.net> Tom Linden wrote: > Running V7.3.189 on XP SP2. Set display on VMS to point to XP, > opened emacs or notepadon VMS, and was hoping to cut and paste from a > window on XP to the one opened from VMS7.3, but paste on the DECW display > only recognizes what last occured on VMS, and that is understandable, but > is there any way to accomplish this, or is this a case of East is East ... Haven't used Excursion, but eXceed has a setting to copy the "primary selection" to the clipboard (I think that was the correct terminology) and vice versa. So check if Excursion has any similar settings. It should be possible... -Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:12:30 -0700 From: - Subject: Re: Excursion Question Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > Running V7.3.189 on XP SP2. Set display on VMS to point to XP, > opened emacs or notepadon VMS, and was hoping to cut and paste from a > window on XP to the one opened from VMS7.3, but paste on the DECW display > only recognizes what last occured on VMS, and that is understandable, but > is there any way to accomplish this, or is this a case of East is East ... > > --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Welcome to the XWin X Server Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project Release: 6.8.99.901-4 Copy & paste between Win <--> XEmacs just fine. Check your Excursion settings, or install Cygwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:21:03 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Excursion Question Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:45:51 -0800, Ken Fairfield wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> Running V7.3.189 on XP SP2. Set display on VMS to point to XP, >> opened emacs or notepadon VMS, and was hoping to cut and paste from a >> window on XP to the one opened from VMS7.3, but paste on the DECW >> display >> only recognizes what last occured on VMS, and that is understandable, >> but >> is there any way to accomplish this, or is this a case of East is East >> ... > > Haven't used Excursion, but eXceed has a setting to copy the > "primary selection" to the clipboard (I think that was the > correct terminology) and vice versa. So check if Excursion > has any similar settings. It should be possible... The control panel has 14 tabs, but I saw nothing that looked suitable > > -Ken -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:26:40 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Excursion Question Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:12:30 -0800, - wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> Running V7.3.189 on XP SP2. Set display on VMS to point to XP, >> opened emacs or notepadon VMS, and was hoping to cut and paste from a >> window on XP to the one opened from VMS7.3, but paste on the DECW >> display >> only recognizes what last occured on VMS, and that is understandable, >> but >> is there any way to accomplish this, or is this a case of East is East >> ... >> --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > Welcome to the XWin X Server > Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project > Release: 6.8.99.901-4 > > Copy & paste between Win <--> XEmacs just fine. > > Check your Excursion settings, or install Cygwin I run both cygwin and xemacs on XP, but using Excursion I was opening a remote X-session for emacs running on VMS on XP, so pulling down paste it was looking to VMS not XP. I suppose NFS or Samba might be a way to go. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 15:56:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS I64 Support Plans? Message-ID: In article <874pomcyrb.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi writes: > > Funny, I seem to remember there was this Equipment Company that was > quite happy to not only enter into 5 yr comitments, but some even > longer. I don't know about comitments, but I do know of getting a 17 year old 9 track drive repaired. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 17:55:59 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <55tflfF268vorU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <45f88dce$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >> Ian Miller wrote: >>> "Criminal charges have been dropped against former Hewlett Packard >>> (HP) chairwoman Patricia Dunn in connection with a corporate spying >>> scandal." >>> >>> Read more on BBC news >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6451843.stm >> >> Not knowing what what was going on may be good enough >> to walk free in a trial. >> >> But not exactly a good recommendation for a leader. > > The defense says that the charges were dropped because she is not > guilty. The prosecutors say the charges were dropped because she has > a serious case of ovarian cancer. I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda doubt this. > > I think it was the prosecutors who had to convince the judge to allow > the charges be dropped. Actually, I thought it was the prosecutors who had to convince a judge to issue a warrant in the first place. > > I would much rather that she be healthy and prosecuted. It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed swift justice!) I have forgotten who all the players were and what they were charged with but I would guess this is really one of those where it looked like there really were no California laws broken in the first place. California has since closed some loopholes, but you can't make that retroactive so my guess is that the prosecution really decided they couldn't win anyway so they let the charges drop. (It's kind of like the uproar over the "Bush Warrantless Wiretaps" which aren't really wiretaps at all but just the government getting records from the phone company that they not only keep on all calls but happily sell to anyone (like telemarketers and business trend analysts) who has the cash to buy them. The only deal that was made different for the government was that they didn't have to pay for them. The phone companies cheerfully just handed them over on request!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 15:54:50 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: In article <55tflfF268vorU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda doubt > this. > Dropping charges when the suspect is faced with life ending illness is a common and legal act, not a defense. > > It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed > swift justice!) Swift justice may be delayed by one's own lawyers without violating the Constitution. And it often is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:50:17 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda doubt > this. Look at her Ken Lay buddy from Enron. He died before he had the opportunity to appeal his conviction and the whole case was not only dropped, but his conviction was expunged. So the whole thing was a waste of time and taxpayer money. If they have a good feeling that Dunn might die before all is said and done, then perhaps they decided not to waste money on her. Perhaps it will be up to the individuals whose privacy was violated by her policy to sue her. The question that I still want to see answered is who within HP authorised the Human Resources departmebnt to release employment records to some 3rd party investigators. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:44:58 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <45f9cc63$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed > swift justice!) I have forgotten who all the players were and what > they were charged with but I would guess this is really one of those > where it looked like there really were no California laws broken in > the first place. California has since closed some loopholes, but you > can't make that retroactive so my guess is that the prosecution really > decided they couldn't win anyway so they let the charges drop. Considering that: "Three other defendants entered no contest pleas and will do community service instead of going to jail." I do not think the no law was broken is a good explanation. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2007 00:33:38 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <55u6v2F25upg1U1@mid.individual.net> In article , JF Mezei writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda doubt >> this. > > > Look at her Ken Lay buddy from Enron. He died before he had the opportunity to > appeal his conviction and the whole case was not only dropped, but his > conviction was expunged. So the whole thing was a waste of time and taxpayer money. Maybe, but Ken Lay's bad health (which was no secret) sure didn't get him out of the courtroom. > > If they have a good feeling that Dunn might die before all is said and done, > then perhaps they decided not to waste money on her. I do not believe there is any legal standing that let's them do that. I can give you lots cases of people who were dying at the time of their trials still having to go thru their day in court. > > Perhaps it will be up to the individuals whose privacy was violated by her > policy to sue her. Different matter. One would be legal and the other civil. Personally, I don't think they have a case. I think they might have if she had been convicted but not now. And you also have to remember that shortly after all this came ot light there was a question about wether or not any CA law had, in fact, been broken. > > The question that I still want to see answered is who within HP authorised the > Human Resources departmebnt to release employment records to some 3rd party > investigators. Could have been someone who has the authority to do it. HR records are frequently made available to 3rd parties. The people who run the retirement plan. The people who administer the health plan. The IRS. Just because some people didn't like it doesn't mean it wasn't "legitimate". Ethical? Probably not. But not necessarily illegal or even wrong inthe corporate sense. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2007 00:35:50 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <55u736F25upg1U2@mid.individual.net> In article , Tad Winters writes: > JF Mezei wrote in > news:a2e6$45f9b1b0$cef8887a$2361@TEKSAVVY.COM: > >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >>> I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda >>> doubt this. >> >> >> Look at her Ken Lay buddy from Enron. He died before he had the >> opportunity to appeal his conviction and the whole case was not only >> dropped, but his conviction was expunged. So the whole thing was a >> waste of time and taxpayer money. > > It would be a huge waste of taxpayer money when you consider that > currently, even the incarcerated are entitled to health care. The health > care costs for someone with cancer can be staggering. Still not grounds for dropping criminal charges. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2007 00:37:55 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <55u772F25upg1U3@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <55tflfF268vorU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> I don't think having ovarian cancer is a valid defense so I kinda doubt >> this. >> > Dropping charges when the suspect is faced with life ending illness > is a common and legal act, not a defense. Really? Didn't seem to help Ken Lay (whose bad health was well known long before he set foot in a courtroom.) >> >> It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed >> swift justice!) > > Swift justice may be delayed by one's own lawyers without violating > the Constitution. And it often is. I don't remember anywhere in the Constitution that gives either side the right to delay things. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2007 00:40:13 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <55u7bdF25upg1U4@mid.individual.net> In article <45f9cc63$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed >> swift justice!) I have forgotten who all the players were and what >> they were charged with but I would guess this is really one of those >> where it looked like there really were no California laws broken in >> the first place. California has since closed some loopholes, but you >> can't make that retroactive so my guess is that the prosecution really >> decided they couldn't win anyway so they let the charges drop. > > Considering that: > > "Three other defendants entered no contest pleas and will do community > service instead of going to jail." > > I do not think the no law was broken is a good explanation. "No Contest" is a rather strange concept of law. It basicly says, "I didn't do anything wrong, but you can punish me anyway." Maybe they needed better lawyers. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:56:45 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: charges dropped against Patrica Dunn Message-ID: <45f9eb46$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <45f9cc63$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajhøj writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> It has been so long already (so much for constitutionally guaranteed >>> swift justice!) I have forgotten who all the players were and what >>> they were charged with but I would guess this is really one of those >>> where it looked like there really were no California laws broken in >>> the first place. California has since closed some loopholes, but you >>> can't make that retroactive so my guess is that the prosecution really >>> decided they couldn't win anyway so they let the charges drop. >> Considering that: >> >> "Three other defendants entered no contest pleas and will do community >> service instead of going to jail." >> >> I do not think the no law was broken is a good explanation. > > "No Contest" is a rather strange concept of law. It basicly says, "I > didn't do anything wrong, but you can punish me anyway." Maybe they > needed better lawyers. :-) Since they did get community service, then I would assume the judge thinks some law has been broken. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:40:07 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Power Consumption Message-ID: <8660a3a10703151140k6c0324cft6985d68e0b318b5e@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_54438_28004009.1173984007631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 3/15/07, Paul Sture wrote: > > In article <89e91$45f8413f$cef8887a$22487@TEKSAVVY.COM>, > JF Mezei wrote: > > > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > > > It's as much about competition and marketing as anything else. > > > > Consider the advent of LCD displays and how quickly they have permeated > just > > about every computer display (and now consumer TV sets). Those consume > about > > 1/10s the power of their older CRT brothers, and even less when iddle. > If you > > have 100 employees, that is a HUGE savings on not only electricity to > drive > > the > > displays, but also airconditioning load on the office space. > > > > The next step is to make computers more energy efficient. > > We could also take one step back from the electrical equipment itself > and look at power bricks, certainly for home and small office > environments. > > I currently have the following equipment, each with its own power brick: > > In full time use: > > cable modem > router > hub > LCD monitor > laptop > 2 firewire drives > > Only plugged in when recharging: > > phone charger > camera battery charger > general battery recharger > > I know that other folks have more. > > It would make sense to have a common standard for such electrical > equipment so that you could have one power brick which could supply n > devices, at the voltage each requires and with an adequate power rating > to supply the lot. > > As things stand at the moment, this isn't practical, as the instructions > for most equipment usually include dire warnings about warranty being > voided if you use something other than the manufacturer supplied power > supply. Understandable from their point of view, as voltages and power > consumption vary. > > But if a common standard were implemented to make this feasible, I > predict that sales of a common poser supply would be quite large, simply > for the convenience factor. If I get another computer related piece of > kit which comes with a bulky power supply, I'm going to need yet another > power strip... > > BTW, there is at least one manufacturer who has addressed the physical > problem of power supplies too bulky to live with others on the same > power strip or wall outlet, but I assume these are only suitable for US > plugs and sockets. > > http://powersquid.net/ > > -- > Paul Sture > common poser supply I thought that posers ran under their own power. :-) WWWebb ------=_Part_54438_28004009.1173984007631 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 3/15/07, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:
In article <89e91$45f8413f$cef8887a$22487@TEKSAVVY.COM >,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> >    It's as much about competition and marketing as anything else.
>
> Consider the advent of LCD displays and how quickly they have permeated just
> about every computer display (and now consumer TV sets). Those consume about
> 1/10s the power of their older CRT brothers, and even less when iddle. If you
> have 100 employees, that is a HUGE savings on not only electricity to drive
> the
> displays, but also airconditioning load on the office space.
>
> The next step is to make computers more energy efficient.

We could also take one step back from the electrical equipment itself
and look at power bricks, certainly for home and small office
environments.

I currently have the following equipment, each with its own power brick:

In full time use:

cable modem
router
hub
LCD monitor
laptop
2 firewire drives

Only plugged in when recharging:

phone charger
camera battery charger
general battery recharger

I know that other folks have more.

It would make sense to have a common standard for such electrical
equipment so that you could have one power brick which could supply n
devices, at the voltage each requires and with an adequate power rating
to supply the lot.

As things stand at the moment, this isn't practical, as the instructions
for most equipment usually include dire warnings about warranty being
voided if you use something other than the manufacturer supplied power
supply. Understandable from their point of view, as voltages and power
consumption vary.

But if a common standard were implemented to make this feasible, I
predict that sales of a common poser supply would be quite large, simply
for the convenience factor. If I get another computer related piece of
kit which comes with a bulky power supply, I'm going to need yet another
power strip...

BTW, there is at least one manufacturer who has addressed the physical
problem of power supplies too bulky to live with others on the same
power strip or wall outlet, but I assume these are only suitable for US
plugs and sockets.

http://powersquid.net/

--
Paul Sture

common poser supply
 
I thought that posers ran under their own power.
 
    :-)
 
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------=_Part_54438_28004009.1173984007631-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:42:51 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: Power Consumption - small (and not so small) appliances Message-ID: <45f993b8$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> "Paul Sture" wrote in message news:paul.sture.nospam-3FBE11.16595415032007@mac.sture.ch... > It would make sense to have a common standard for such electrical > equipment so that you could have one power brick which could supply n > devices, at the voltage each requires and with an adequate power rating > to supply the lot. > Looks that way to me too, but... > But if a common standard were implemented to make this feasible, I > predict that sales of a common poser supply would be quite large, simply > for the convenience factor. If I get another computer related piece of > kit which comes with a bulky power supply, I'm going to need yet another > power strip... > If the Great Architect had intended the world to work that way, why isn't Power over Ethernet much more widely known than it currently (ouch) is? If the kit doesn't need Ethernet just use the connector for power. One big(gish) PoE brick supplies lots of little bits of kit, a bigger one supplies even more. There'll be enough power per appliance for most kit (much more than USB provides, more than a lot of power bricks too), cheap as chips to design with and integrate (according to the PoE chip vendors :)). Presumably not *quite* as cheap overall as a far eastern power brick otherwise PoE would by now be "industry standard" on small techy stuff (either that or I've misunderstood something :)). Maybe all it needs is a trendy name? iMAX is already taken, and probably wouldn't mean much outside the electrical engineering community anyway. Is iDC already spoken for ? 2p John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:54:20 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Power Consumption - small (and not so small) appliances Message-ID: In article <45f993b8$0$8714$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, "John Wallace" wrote: > "Paul Sture" wrote in message > news:paul.sture.nospam-3FBE11.16595415032007@mac.sture.ch... > > > > > It would make sense to have a common standard for such electrical > > equipment so that you could have one power brick which could supply n > > devices, at the voltage each requires and with an adequate power rating > > to supply the lot. > > > > Looks that way to me too, but... > > > But if a common standard were implemented to make this feasible, I > > predict that sales of a common poser supply would be quite large, simply > > for the convenience factor. If I get another computer related piece of > > kit which comes with a bulky power supply, I'm going to need yet another > > power strip... > > > > If the Great Architect had intended the world to work that way, why isn't > Power over Ethernet much more widely known than it currently (ouch) is? If > the kit doesn't need Ethernet just use the connector for power. One > big(gish) PoE brick supplies lots of little bits of kit, a bigger one > supplies even more. There'll be enough power per appliance for most kit > (much more than USB provides, more than a lot of power bricks too), cheap as > chips to design with and integrate (according to the PoE chip vendors :)). > Presumably not *quite* as cheap overall as a far eastern power brick > otherwise PoE would by now be "industry standard" on small techy stuff > (either that or I've misunderstood something :)). I haven't come across PoE before. I'll take a look. I do know that my laptop doesn't have enough juice to power a Firewire drive, which was a bit of a disappointment in this area. > Maybe all it needs is a trendy name? iMAX is already taken, and probably > wouldn't mean much outside the electrical engineering community anyway. Is > iDC already spoken for ? > Thinking cap on ... -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2007 20:40:20 -0700 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: TZ885 Loader manual and software question Message-ID: <1174016420.710579.229730@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> I just inherited a TZ885-NT tape drive with autoloader. Unfortunately, the front panel is completely blank-- it has four round buttons but no labels. So far I have figured out that the far right button opens the loader door and the next button to the left loads a tape. Can anyone point me to any documentation on this drive? I have searched HP.com but all I find are references to this drive in manuals for other products. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:31:25 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Update: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:23:05 -0800, Tom Linden wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:17:47 -0800, Bill Todd > wrote: > >> Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> Bill Todd wrote: >>>> Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>>>> From: >>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_on_bi_ge/amd_intel_shifting_fortunes;_ylt=Aq92wST7yGqKfikqJHJ7jCNj24cA >>>>> SAN JOSE, Calif. - The high-flying Advanced Micro Devices Inc. of >>>>> 2006 >>>>> has given way to a company in financial peril, saddled with debt and >>>>> bleeding from a brutal price battle with its larger and suddenly >>>>> resurgent >>>>> Silicon Valley archrival, Intel Corp. >>>> >>>> Yeah, right - especially the part about Intel having passed AMD >>>> technologically, let alone being likely to stay there. >>> Ask any teenager and he can tell you that Core 2 is >>> the "must have" today. >> >> I'm afraid that teenagers aren't at (or even close to) the top of my >> list of reliable sources. Among other things, even if they have a clue >> at all they tend to be completely fixated on some aspects of >> performance to the exclusion of others - and their ability to >> understand anything but the immediate present (if even that) tends to >> be extremely limited. >> >> While too many adults may suffer from similar deficiencies (and while >> this may be evident in AMD's stock-price gyrations), more responsible >> individuals tend to dominate purchasing decisions in the areas most >> important to AMD's continued health. > > IBM is going to 65nm for cell which is now being targeted to blades > according to following > http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198000736 > > I believe that AMD and IBM have a technology sharing agreement, which > could > well result in much faster x86 chips from AMD Just saw this today http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198001205 > >> >> - bill > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.149 ************************